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I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

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  • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P This user is from outside of this forum
    Drew Johnson :cascadia:P This user is from outside of this forum
    Drew Johnson :cascadia:
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    I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

    George Liquor, AmericanL Trixi SchutzoA degenerating degenerateH Uriel FanelliU FriekeF 16 Replies Last reply
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    • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

      I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

      George Liquor, AmericanL This user is from outside of this forum
      George Liquor, AmericanL This user is from outside of this forum
      George Liquor, American
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      @Possiblydrew "technically" doing a heavy lift here

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      • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

        I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

        Trixi SchutzoA This user is from outside of this forum
        Trixi SchutzoA This user is from outside of this forum
        Trixi Schutzo
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        @Possiblydrew
        Bro technology is just making everybody stupider myself included to be fair
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        • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

          I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

          degenerating degenerateH This user is from outside of this forum
          degenerating degenerateH This user is from outside of this forum
          degenerating degenerate
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          #4

          @Possiblydrew Have you actually tried the current Coding assist AIs?

          Because if you had, you would be surprised they are not "random word generators" but actually very useful.

          You can try https://antigravity.google for free on your own code on your own machine (Linux is fine) and ask it to do your own choice of tasks.

          If you want to come back and tell me you found rand() in an overcoat, well, OK. But I think you will be very surprised.

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          • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

            I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

            Uriel FanelliU This user is from outside of this forum
            Uriel FanelliU This user is from outside of this forum
            Uriel Fanelli
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            @Possiblydrew Attourneys are upset now.

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            • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

              I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

              FriekeF This user is from outside of this forum
              FriekeF This user is from outside of this forum
              Frieke
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              @Possiblydrew technically.... Not socially competent?

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              • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                NtropicN This user is from outside of this forum
                NtropicN This user is from outside of this forum
                Ntropic
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                @Possiblydrew Do it the old way, use a search engine to open an AI generated SEO optimized sloppage instead!

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                • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                  I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                  LauraL This user is from outside of this forum
                  LauraL This user is from outside of this forum
                  Laura
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                  @Possiblydrew People I had known to be very clever have fallen to these. I have a pet hypothesis that there's a factor unrelated to general intelligence that makes some people more susceptible to these than others, like gambling addictions.

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                  • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                    I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                    Lyubomir Ganev :android:L This user is from outside of this forum
                    Lyubomir Ganev :android:L This user is from outside of this forum
                    Lyubomir Ganev :android:
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                    @Possiblydrew stupidity and competency are technically different πŸ˜„

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                    • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                      I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                      Rich Puchalsky  β©œβƒR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Rich Puchalsky  β©œβƒR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Rich Puchalsky β©œβƒ
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                      @Possiblydrew

                      Engineers never had a good grasp on what technology actually did: they're mostly formula followers

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                      • degenerating degenerateH degenerating degenerate

                        @Possiblydrew Have you actually tried the current Coding assist AIs?

                        Because if you had, you would be surprised they are not "random word generators" but actually very useful.

                        You can try https://antigravity.google for free on your own code on your own machine (Linux is fine) and ask it to do your own choice of tasks.

                        If you want to come back and tell me you found rand() in an overcoat, well, OK. But I think you will be very surprised.

                        Hastar i motvind πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺH This user is from outside of this forum
                        Hastar i motvind πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺH This user is from outside of this forum
                        Hastar i motvind πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺ
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                        @hopeless @Possiblydrew So which of your favorite LLM tools are deterministic?

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                        • Hastar i motvind πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺH Hastar i motvind πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺ

                          @hopeless @Possiblydrew So which of your favorite LLM tools are deterministic?

                          degenerating degenerateH This user is from outside of this forum
                          degenerating degenerateH This user is from outside of this forum
                          degenerating degenerate
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                          @hastar @Possiblydrew

                          The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                          It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                          You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

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                          • degenerating degenerateH degenerating degenerate

                            @hastar @Possiblydrew

                            The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                            It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                            You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

                            Drew Johnson :cascadia:P This user is from outside of this forum
                            Drew Johnson :cascadia:P This user is from outside of this forum
                            Drew Johnson :cascadia:
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                            @hopeless wow there’s so much to unpack here.

                            Random + weights + other stuff is still ✨random ✨.

                            Random + seed sure is deterministic but how often do you the user set the seed? Why is the answer to an objective query subject to a probabilistic state?

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                            • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                              I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                              RootWyrm πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦:progress:R This user is from outside of this forum
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                              RootWyrm πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦:progress:
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                              @Possiblydrew if they're doing that, then they most definitely are not technically competent in any way whatsoever.

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                              • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                                I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                                David BeazleyD This user is from outside of this forum
                                David BeazleyD This user is from outside of this forum
                                David Beazley
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                                @Possiblydrew Apropos of nothing, taxes are due tomorrow.

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                                • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                                  I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                                  DavidD This user is from outside of this forum
                                  DavidD This user is from outside of this forum
                                  David
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                                  @Possiblydrew

                                  Ok, but also there's this: https://www.harvey.ai/ but I don't think they license to individuals

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                                  • Drew Johnson :cascadia:P Drew Johnson :cascadia:

                                    I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                                    Charlie the Anti-Fascist DogA This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Charlie the Anti-Fascist DogA This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Charlie the Anti-Fascist Dog
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                                    @Possiblydrew πŸ˜‚

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                                    • degenerating degenerateH degenerating degenerate

                                      @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                      The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                                      It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                                      You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

                                      Oriel Jutty :hhHHHAAAH:B This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      Oriel Jutty :hhHHHAAAH:
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                                      @hopeless @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                      they are choosing what they want to talk about

                                      Wow, what a coincidence. I was just talking to /dev/urandom and it chose to talk about "bizz".

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                                      • Oriel Jutty :hhHHHAAAH:B Oriel Jutty :hhHHHAAAH:

                                        @hopeless @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                        they are choosing what they want to talk about

                                        Wow, what a coincidence. I was just talking to /dev/urandom and it chose to talk about "bizz".

                                        degenerating degenerateH This user is from outside of this forum
                                        degenerating degenerateH This user is from outside of this forum
                                        degenerating degenerate
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                                        @barubary @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                        You're so clever!

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                                        • degenerating degenerateH degenerating degenerate

                                          @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                          The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                                          It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                                          You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

                                          AriaflameA This user is from outside of this forum
                                          AriaflameA This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Ariaflame
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                                          @hopeless @hastar @Possiblydrew They aren't sentient, they are not 'choosing' anything. They're just picking at random from weighted options. They don't know anything. If the training set was good for what specifically you wanted to do you might be lucky. Otherwise you could be totally fucked and not know it until a lot later when something breaks/lets someone into your system.

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