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  • O outlierblue@lemmy.ca

    How brave of them to make a statement, with no plans, goals, or commitments, after the entire region has already been flattened and its people murdered or starved.

    This is leadership? Fuck that.

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    fleur_@aussie.zone
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    “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week”

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      Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has announced that his country plans to recognise the State of Palestine at the United Nations.

      In a Friday post on X, Carney stated: “Canada supports a two-state solution which guarantees peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians.” He added that Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.

      The Prime Minister also said that Canada condemns the Israeli government’s failure to prevent the rapid deterioration of the humanitarian adisaster in the Gaza Strip.

      Earlier, French President Emmanuel Macron declared his intention to recognise the State of Palestine in September 2025.

      In response, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly condemned the move, saying that the establishment of a Palestinian state would pose a threat to Israel’s security.

      Meanwhile, the Hamas movement welcomed Macron’s intention to recognise Palestine during the UN General Assembly in September.

      Hamas described the move as a positive step in the right direction towards justice for the oppressed Palestinian people and support for their legitimate right to self-determination and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on all of its occupied territory, with Jerusalem as its capital.

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      fleur_@aussie.zone
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      There’s a lot of comments in this thread, with a LOT of up votes, claiming this is a nothing burger and isn’t actually a change in Canadian foreign policy. I understand being annoyed at slow progress that should’ve happened long ago but claiming this is actually bad for Palestine is disingenuous.

      Canada has never recognised a Palestinian government other than the Palestinian Authority (PA) which is an Israeli organisation set up to represent Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are clearly starting they have intention to do so which most likely will be the State of Palestine which is a Palestinian organisation that currently receives the most recognition in the United nations general Assembly.

      Here they have declared their intent:

      “Canada supports a two-state solution”

      Here they have declared their current plans regarding recognition:

      “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.”

      Here Isreal have denounced the move by Canada:

      “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly condemned the move,”

      Here Hamas has declared support for similar plans for recognition that France has made:

      “Hamas described the move as a positive step in the right direction towards justice for the oppressed Palestinian people”

      If I were a paranoid person I’d say that the comments declaring Canada’s plan to recognise Palestine are futile and meaningless are pro Israeli propaganda planted to look like a pro Palestinian stance. And when it comes to discussions about Israel online, I am very paranoid.

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        Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has announced that his country plans to recognise the State of Palestine at the United Nations.

        In a Friday post on X, Carney stated: “Canada supports a two-state solution which guarantees peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians.” He added that Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.

        The Prime Minister also said that Canada condemns the Israeli government’s failure to prevent the rapid deterioration of the humanitarian adisaster in the Gaza Strip.

        Earlier, French President Emmanuel Macron declared his intention to recognise the State of Palestine in September 2025.

        In response, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly condemned the move, saying that the establishment of a Palestinian state would pose a threat to Israel’s security.

        Meanwhile, the Hamas movement welcomed Macron’s intention to recognise Palestine during the UN General Assembly in September.

        Hamas described the move as a positive step in the right direction towards justice for the oppressed Palestinian people and support for their legitimate right to self-determination and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on all of its occupied territory, with Jerusalem as its capital.

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        “Supporting a two-state solution” is not the same as recognizing Palestine.

        Recognizing Palestine is a symbolic gesture at the moment since there’s no Palestinian government that controls both the West Bank and Gaza. Generally when countries do this, the recognize the PA as the government of Palestine, but that implies that Gaza isn’t part of Palestine (which nobody really thinks) and the West Bank is under occupation, so what does that even mean? I

        Recognition of Palestine is just a way to protest Israel and/or the US, nothing more. It’s a symbolic act, not a meaningful change in anything on the ground.

        What Carney said is more sensible. Everyone reasonable wants a two-state solution, strangely it’s only Netanyahu and radical pro-Palestinian groups that want a one state solution. They only differ on which ethnic group should control that one state.

        Even then it’s premature to talk about a long term peace before there’s a ceasefire, but this is mostly about putting pressure on Israel to bring in more humanitarian aid because the US isn’t doing that anymore.

        Not sure what this conference will accomplish though… is any country going to commit ground troops to Gaza? We all want more humanitarian aid (and eventually a stable peaceful government) in Gaza, but how do you actually make that happen?

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          There’s a lot of comments in this thread, with a LOT of up votes, claiming this is a nothing burger and isn’t actually a change in Canadian foreign policy. I understand being annoyed at slow progress that should’ve happened long ago but claiming this is actually bad for Palestine is disingenuous.

          Canada has never recognised a Palestinian government other than the Palestinian Authority (PA) which is an Israeli organisation set up to represent Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are clearly starting they have intention to do so which most likely will be the State of Palestine which is a Palestinian organisation that currently receives the most recognition in the United nations general Assembly.

          Here they have declared their intent:

          “Canada supports a two-state solution”

          Here they have declared their current plans regarding recognition:

          “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.”

          Here Isreal have denounced the move by Canada:

          “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly condemned the move,”

          Here Hamas has declared support for similar plans for recognition that France has made:

          “Hamas described the move as a positive step in the right direction towards justice for the oppressed Palestinian people”

          If I were a paranoid person I’d say that the comments declaring Canada’s plan to recognise Palestine are futile and meaningless are pro Israeli propaganda planted to look like a pro Palestinian stance. And when it comes to discussions about Israel online, I am very paranoid.

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          patatas@sh.itjust.works
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          I think the issue people are having is that this tweet from the PM does not appear to represent any kind of change in policy.

          In fact just yesterday, Reuters reported that Canada and the UK were asked by Macron to join France in recognising Palestinian statehood but refused: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/frustration-gaza-alarm-drove-macron-go-it-alone-palestine-recognition-2025-07-26/

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            “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week”

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            patatas@sh.itjust.works
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            Emmanuel Macron's announcement caused diplomatic ructions from the Middle East and Europe to Washington - but it did not come out of the blue.

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              “Supporting a two-state solution” is not the same as recognizing Palestine.

              Recognizing Palestine is a symbolic gesture at the moment since there’s no Palestinian government that controls both the West Bank and Gaza. Generally when countries do this, the recognize the PA as the government of Palestine, but that implies that Gaza isn’t part of Palestine (which nobody really thinks) and the West Bank is under occupation, so what does that even mean? I

              Recognition of Palestine is just a way to protest Israel and/or the US, nothing more. It’s a symbolic act, not a meaningful change in anything on the ground.

              What Carney said is more sensible. Everyone reasonable wants a two-state solution, strangely it’s only Netanyahu and radical pro-Palestinian groups that want a one state solution. They only differ on which ethnic group should control that one state.

              Even then it’s premature to talk about a long term peace before there’s a ceasefire, but this is mostly about putting pressure on Israel to bring in more humanitarian aid because the US isn’t doing that anymore.

              Not sure what this conference will accomplish though… is any country going to commit ground troops to Gaza? We all want more humanitarian aid (and eventually a stable peaceful government) in Gaza, but how do you actually make that happen?

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              patatas@sh.itjust.works
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              I agree with a lot of what you’ve said here but a one-state solution is not necessarily a question of “which ethnic group controls the state”. The anti-apartheid, anti-genocide advocates for a one-state solution generally argue for full rights for all citizens and a secular administration, if I’m not mistaken.

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              • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                I agree with a lot of what you’ve said here but a one-state solution is not necessarily a question of “which ethnic group controls the state”. The anti-apartheid, anti-genocide advocates for a one-state solution generally argue for full rights for all citizens and a secular administration, if I’m not mistaken.

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                spacecowboy@lemmy.ca
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                Jews would still be a majority in a one state solution. What’s the term for changing an area from occupied territory to be part of a country where the people are citizens? Annexation.

                That’s why the whole “apartheid state” thing is a silly slogan used by people who don’t actually understand anything. Netanyahu wants to annex the West Bank and it seems the “apartheid state” crowd agrees that this is the best solution. But I don’t think they really do agree with Netanyahu, it’s just non-serious people spewing non-sense slogans. They don’t understand what the word annexation means and don’t care that Palestinians might want their own state apart from Israel.

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                  Recognize hamas

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                  And then destroy them.

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                  • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS spacecowboy@lemmy.ca

                    Jews would still be a majority in a one state solution. What’s the term for changing an area from occupied territory to be part of a country where the people are citizens? Annexation.

                    That’s why the whole “apartheid state” thing is a silly slogan used by people who don’t actually understand anything. Netanyahu wants to annex the West Bank and it seems the “apartheid state” crowd agrees that this is the best solution. But I don’t think they really do agree with Netanyahu, it’s just non-serious people spewing non-sense slogans. They don’t understand what the word annexation means and don’t care that Palestinians might want their own state apart from Israel.

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                    patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                    Look, I’m just explaining the position as I understand it. I’ll also note that there are a great many advocates for a one-state, equal-rights solution that most certainly do know what they’re talking about.

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                      “Canada supports a two state solution”

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                      canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                      That’s not a new stance, and doesn’t amount to recognition on any schedule.

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                      • L loonsun@sh.itjust.works

                        The last paragraph, he starts the paragraph saying the official government stance is the two state solution and sovereignty of Palestine

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                        That’s been the government line for decades, though. The idea being the negotiation process will start in earnest any moment now and then recognition for Palestine can be part of it. Which also conveniently doesn’t anger Israel or the US.

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                          Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has announced that his country plans to recognise the State of Palestine at the United Nations.

                          In a Friday post on X, Carney stated: “Canada supports a two-state solution which guarantees peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians.” He added that Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.

                          The Prime Minister also said that Canada condemns the Israeli government’s failure to prevent the rapid deterioration of the humanitarian adisaster in the Gaza Strip.

                          Earlier, French President Emmanuel Macron declared his intention to recognise the State of Palestine in September 2025.

                          In response, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly condemned the move, saying that the establishment of a Palestinian state would pose a threat to Israel’s security.

                          Meanwhile, the Hamas movement welcomed Macron’s intention to recognise Palestine during the UN General Assembly in September.

                          Hamas described the move as a positive step in the right direction towards justice for the oppressed Palestinian people and support for their legitimate right to self-determination and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on all of its occupied territory, with Jerusalem as its capital.

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                          Israelis and Palestinian citizens need to agree together that they have to oust their Hamas and Netanyahu regime oppressors. Without this, nothing will change.

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                            That’s not a new stance, and doesn’t amount to recognition on any schedule.

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                            fleur_@aussie.zone
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                            Yes it is, Canada has only ever recognised PA (Palestine authority) which is an Israeli organisation that represents Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are very clearly talking about the State of Palestine which is the most recognised in the United nations general Assembly.

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                              fleur_@aussie.zone
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                              There’s a meeting happening next week that Canada has pledged to support Palestine as a state. We’ll see next week what comes of it.

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                                Yes it is, Canada has only ever recognised PA (Palestine authority) which is an Israeli organisation that represents Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are very clearly talking about the State of Palestine which is the most recognised in the United nations general Assembly.

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                                canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                Canada has wanted a two-state solution for a very long time. Probably with the PA in charge (which is not Israeli, just Israeli backed in a very lukewarm sense), but it’s not usually specified.

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                                  Look, I’m just explaining the position as I understand it. I’ll also note that there are a great many advocates for a one-state, equal-rights solution that most certainly do know what they’re talking about.

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                                  Who? If you could even just point to someone describing how this would work, that would be helpful. But I’ve never seen anyone actually explain how this would actually work. The only one state solutions offered is Netanyahu wanting to annex territories or nutjobs that want to ethnically cleanse (or worse) Jews from the region.

                                  Just look at the population numbers… A one state solution would have Jewish majority. Do pro-Palestinian radicals really want a one state solution with Palestinians being a minority in a state that’s majority is Jewish? There’s a lot of dark intentions of those that want a one state solution. Or they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

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                                  • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                                    I think the issue people are having is that this tweet from the PM does not appear to represent any kind of change in policy.

                                    In fact just yesterday, Reuters reported that Canada and the UK were asked by Macron to join France in recognising Palestinian statehood but refused: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/frustration-gaza-alarm-drove-macron-go-it-alone-palestine-recognition-2025-07-26/

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                                    fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                    Okay, so there’s an upcoming conference at the UN about officially recognising the state of Palestine that has been proposed by France. Yes France was unable to get the UK and Canada to cosponsor the proposal but that is not the same as rejecting it. We will only know the official stance after the conference. However, this tweet by the Canadian government is referring to this proposal by France. In the tweet he stated that “Canada supports a two state solution” and that “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.” Together it seems likely that Canada is intent on supporting the proposal, again we will only know after the conference.

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                                      Canada has wanted a two-state solution for a very long time. Probably with the PA in charge (which is not Israeli, just Israeli backed in a very lukewarm sense), but it’s not usually specified.

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                                      fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                      They have never recognised Palestine. There is an upcoming UN proposal by France to recognise Palestine. In this tweet it seems that Canada will be supporting the proposal however we won’t know until the conference.

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                                        Who? If you could even just point to someone describing how this would work, that would be helpful. But I’ve never seen anyone actually explain how this would actually work. The only one state solutions offered is Netanyahu wanting to annex territories or nutjobs that want to ethnically cleanse (or worse) Jews from the region.

                                        Just look at the population numbers… A one state solution would have Jewish majority. Do pro-Palestinian radicals really want a one state solution with Palestinians being a minority in a state that’s majority is Jewish? There’s a lot of dark intentions of those that want a one state solution. Or they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

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                                        patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                                        Ilan Pappé is one of the foremost advocates AFAIK

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                                        • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                                          There’s a meeting happening next week that Canada has pledged to support Palestine as a state. We’ll see next week what comes of it.

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                                          I genuinely hope you’re right!

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