Albertans really need to look closely at Puerto Rico and the CNMI, because that’s their American future. If they think America is going to treat them as equals because they’re white, they’re even dumber than i could have ever imagined.

The big thing i’ve found to be problematic in Alberta isn’t apathy, but that young people tend to vote the same way their parents (and grandparents) vote, without actually learning anything about where politicians lean these days.

Nobody is doing the research and learning that the Conservatives these days are actually more like Adolf Hitler than Peter Lougheed.

I would vote for Peter Lougheed if I could, but i can’t vote for these corporate fascists.

I wish older Albertans could see this, but they’re not putting in the work anymore. They have their beds in their assisted care homes and don’t realize they’re the last that will get that.

Or, even worse, they get it…and just don’t care.

What is an “Albertan”? Cars have existed longer than Alberta has. We’re all immigrants.

I know someone who wanted to legally change his name to “Wayne Gretzky” and then run for Premier. He thought most Albertans wouldn’t do the work and figure out he wasn’t actually Wayne Gretzky, and i think he was right.

Deported to el Salvador and Libya, following the path of maplemaga’s deity.

I think that guy you know might also be one of the folks who doesn’t do the work to figure stuff out, unfortunately - we don’t “vote for Premier”, we vote for a local representative and the party that gets the most representatives installs their party leader as Premier. Just like how it’s done with the Prime Minister.

Even if we did, his plan has taken a bit of a hit in the past year. A lot of Albertans have soured greatly on Gretzky given his chumminess with Trump, his statues have been repeatedly vandalized recently. “Maple MAGA” is actually not as popular here as seems to be commonly believed.

We’re all immigrants.

Most of us anyway.

You think the people who signed the Forever Canadian petition are all people who want to leave Canada?

Haha no, where did you get that out of what I said?

My bad, it seemed like you were implying that the 38.7% of people who signed the Forever Canadian petition and the 30% who are (or at least were) for Alberta separatism were the exact same group.

What money are they going to use?

US dollar, probably.

How about Tegan and Sara, Kinnie Starr , and Rachel Notley?

I think the real reason the UCP leadership puts this kind of crazy stuff on the ballot is to make sure that 30% shows up to vote in force. If everyone else turns up to vote, or their base had a regular level of turnout, then they’d have no shot.

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.1. It would mean fewer Conservatives in Parliament.

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.2. For those Canadians who want to become American citizens, they could move to Alberta. Indeed, Canada could invite millions of Latin Americans to become citizens of Canada, and then they go to Alberta, and when Albertans becomes American citizens, so might they.

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.3. Alberta is nothing without fossil fuels; it’s a shit province without oil and gas: I suspect this is what many conservatives believe.

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4. A clique of Maple MAGAts take over the Albertan government, and declare independence. They might have a bogus referendum which they win. Trump’s America recognizes it, perhaps immediately, or perhaps after a while of helping it.

If we environmentalists, or those at least a bit environmentally minded, are correct, global warming will get worse; electrification and wind and solar power will increase. No unemployment benefits or farm aid to you Albertan ingrates.

Also, if the progressives took over the US, Congress would have only 2 Albertan senators and maybe 6 Representatives to counter them.

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.5. Texas was a Republic for almost 10 years before it joined the US. Vermont, IIRC, was a republic for ≥14 years. If Alberta joins, say, within 4 years, they might be ribbed by Americans for that.

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.6. BC could still be connected through the NWT. Planes can fly north of it. If McDonald could have a railroad built in (IIUC) the 19th century, Canada could build one in the 21st. We also have the Northwest Passage.

(If BC joining Canada was only going to happen if a railroad was built, they might insist on a new one being built, and we might as well have freight lines, passenger lines, high-speed, a highway, and maybe others.)

I am astounded! Alberta is already trying to dumb down their population, as the USA did. Alberta is trying to privatize health care, as the USA. Seriously?? This is what you want?

So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??

What is “​”? Sounds like you had ai write all this.

My friends in Alberta, are First Nations. And this was my first thought. We should send the people who want to be Americans, to America.

How could they have their land voted away? AB separating just wouldn’t work, with First Nations land being just one reason. Most separatists are simply traitors who don’t understand what the consequences would be. The ones who know what they’re doing know it would never work, but that’s not the point. The point is a weakened and fractured Canada. There’s a vested interest (primarily from the US) in dividing Canada, and this is a great way to do it.

All I’m saying is I hope Albertans don’t get complacent, and actually get out and vote at the referendum. Brexit has proven what lack of understanding and voter apathy can result in. It can just as easily happen in AB, and all it takes is Albertans not bothering to vote because “there’s no way separation will happen”.

Wouldn’t be remotely shocked to find ties to Russian funding of this initiative. They pulled this same shit in Europe for decades, fanning the flames of discontent, pitting people against each other and trying to divide us.