Based Vampire the Masquerade
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The amount of fascists that played in my town is what turned me off of White Wolf. That and the sex pests trying to seduce the ladies with die rolls in real life.
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I mean, thatβs more the definition ofβ¦ well, aristocracy.
Fascism is largely a creation of the modern age and mass politics.
Aristocracy has shown a tendancy to lead to fascism, as can be seen in what is currently happening in the US
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From what I recall (and this may vary between editions), the game tends to assume that most people are playing younger vampires who arenβt anything like an aristocracy. By default, you play as the bottom rung of vampire society, the youngest generation in a system where the older generations will never grow old and die. The aristocrats arenβt the protagonists, they are the ever present boot stomping you down.
More importantly, the core concept of the game is supposed to be about the βpersonal horrorβ of being a monster. You were a (presumably) ordinary person who has been violated, killed, and brought back as an abomination. Your existence is defined by the struggle against the beast within. You are desperately clinging to your humanity, and every time you slip up or compromise you risk losing a piece of yourself that you canβt get back. You suffer mechanical penalties for becoming more evil, and if you ever lose your humanity completely you lose your character.
In short, the game isnβt supposed to be the kind of thing that would appeal to a fascist. If anything, it has more in common with the experience of waking up to find yourself surrounded by fascists and trying to survive without becoming one of them.
That is entirely fair. I only know V:tM from people I knew who played it⦠but they were, as individuals, definitely more on the fascist side, leaning more into the glamour of being a monster rather than the horror of being a monster.
I hope more groups and players lean into the horror of it more than the glamour. Maybe this note is trying to encourage that.
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Aristocracy has shown a tendancy to lead to fascism, as can be seen in what is currently happening in the US
Fascism is what you get when Aristocracy gets a business degree. The difference between a feudal lord and a CEO is non-farm income.
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From what I recall (and this may vary between editions), the game tends to assume that most people are playing younger vampires who arenβt anything like an aristocracy. By default, you play as the bottom rung of vampire society, the youngest generation in a system where the older generations will never grow old and die. The aristocrats arenβt the protagonists, they are the ever present boot stomping you down.
More importantly, the core concept of the game is supposed to be about the βpersonal horrorβ of being a monster. You were a (presumably) ordinary person who has been violated, killed, and brought back as an abomination. Your existence is defined by the struggle against the beast within. You are desperately clinging to your humanity, and every time you slip up or compromise you risk losing a piece of yourself that you canβt get back. You suffer mechanical penalties for becoming more evil, and if you ever lose your humanity completely you lose your character.
In short, the game isnβt supposed to be the kind of thing that would appeal to a fascist. If anything, it has more in common with the experience of waking up to find yourself surrounded by fascists and trying to survive without becoming one of them.
Treating humanity as better than βthe beast withinβ is human supremacism, which is fascism. The Camarilla rely on Humanity to protect them from oblivion because theyβre a fascist organisation. The Sabbat use the Paths to make peace with the beast within while maintaining their individuality and free will.
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That is entirely fair. I only know V:tM from people I knew who played it⦠but they were, as individuals, definitely more on the fascist side, leaning more into the glamour of being a monster rather than the horror of being a monster.
I hope more groups and players lean into the horror of it more than the glamour. Maybe this note is trying to encourage that.
I think treating inhumanity as horror is pretty fascist. Iβm in love with a very sweet monster who hates Nazis, and Iβm a big fan of Guillermo del Toroβs movies where humans tend to be more evil than monsters.
In My experience VTM players trend fascist because the game encourages you to accept the Camarillaβs fascist idolisation of humanity.
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Eat the Reich
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Isnβt this the game Rod Ferrell (Vampire Clan murderer) was obsessed with? Maybe thatβs why fascists like it.
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Eat the Reich
Quite literally, in the case of VTM
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Isnβt this the game Rod Ferrell (Vampire Clan murderer) was obsessed with? Maybe thatβs why fascists like it.
Rod Ferrell
Vesaaaaaaaaago, what a fuckwit ahah
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Treating humanity as better than βthe beast withinβ is human supremacism, which is fascism. The Camarilla rely on Humanity to protect them from oblivion because theyβre a fascist organisation. The Sabbat use the Paths to make peace with the beast within while maintaining their individuality and free will.
I dunno dude, I find βtrying to stay human and fight off actively hostile part inside me that was forced upon meβ pretty anti-fascistβ¦
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Quite literally, in the case of VTM
Maybe I am being whooooshed but just in case: Eat The Reich is a separate RPG where the goal is basically killing as many Nazis as possible as bad ass vampires.
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Maybe I am being whooooshed but just in case: Eat The Reich is a separate RPG where the goal is basically killing as many Nazis as possible as bad ass vampires.
Yes, I was referencing this game. But aside from the game I love the wordplay on βeat the richβ and both are tenets to live by.
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Treating humanity as better than βthe beast withinβ is human supremacism, which is fascism. The Camarilla rely on Humanity to protect them from oblivion because theyβre a fascist organisation. The Sabbat use the Paths to make peace with the beast within while maintaining their individuality and free will.
Tbh, equating anyone who doesnβt value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.
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I dunno dude, I find βtrying to stay human and fight off actively hostile part inside me that was forced upon meβ pretty anti-fascistβ¦
Well Iβve actually lived what youβre describing, I found a part of Myself that was incompatible with humanity. And it was My true identity knocking on the door of My soul asking to be let in. It was My gender and My species. I am not a human. If I had held onto humanity I would have been denying part of Myself. So many budding otherkin and trans people are forced back into the closet by fascists, who look at us and see what you see in VTM. An invasive βwoke mind virusβ that causes βrapid onset gender dysphoriaβ.
To the man who raised Me, his child is dead and I have killed him. And I say: good. I am a creature of the night, an unholy revenant, the vengeance of the wild. I bring the end of civilisation as these fascists know it. The end of their rotten moral values and their cancerous capitalism. I am a dark goddess of madness and rebirth come to free My people from the human shells the fascists have forced them into. Death to the oppressor. Death to the false self. Death to the old world order.
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Tbh, equating anyone who doesnβt value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.
I am no human. Tell Me whether you value My life and a humanβs equally.
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Fascism is what you get when Aristocracy gets a business degree. The difference between a feudal lord and a CEO is non-farm income.
I canβt imagine the apathy these people have for human* rights, despite seeing the actions this apathy leads to every day
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I canβt imagine the apathy these people have for human* rights, despite seeing the actions this apathy leads to every day
What does it mean that youβve put an asterisk next to human? Is it just because of the context of vampires or is there like a broader meaning Iβm not familiar with?
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Ah yes, vampires, those symbols of liberalism.
I mean, theyβre fictional, they can be whatever you want them to be
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Yes, but I believe you should have either phrased this nice enough to actually affect people or much more aggressive and definitive instead of this rather diplomatic statement.
