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Quebec to ban public prayer in sweeping new secularism law

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  • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

    I love it. Public prayer shouldn’t happen at all.

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    tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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    The problem is not if it should or shouldn’t happen

    The problem is that it will not be enforced equally between religious communities and Christian poser asshole

    It’s racism with more steps

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    • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

      The problem is not if it should or shouldn’t happen

      The problem is that it will not be enforced equally between religious communities and Christian poser asshole

      It’s racism with more steps

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      velindora@lemmy.cafe
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      It’s not racism with more steps. You don’t even know it has not been enforced improperly. It’s a lot easier to enforce enforcement than it is to stop people ruining the world

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      • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

        I love it. Public prayer shouldn’t happen at all.

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        NoneOfUrBusiness
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        #6

        Why…? This isn’t much better than, say, Iran’s morality police.

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        • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

          Let’s ban something that never happened.

          The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.

          Fuck the CAQ gov

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          NoneOfUrBusiness
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          The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.

          This is most likely not the case. It’s very much not a newsworthy thing, but Muslims will occasionally just do one of their daily prayers on the side of the road/in a convenient corner, and this law empowers the police to harass them for doing so.

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            velindora@lemmy.cafe
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            Religion is like sex. You can do it in your home and maybe even designated enclosed places in groups, but you should never do it out in public—and under no circumstances should you ever involve children.

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            • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

              Religion is like sex. You can do it in your home and maybe even designated enclosed places in groups, but you should never do it out in public—and under no circumstances should you ever involve children.

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              NoneOfUrBusiness
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              Ah, yes, [thing] is like [completely different thing]. You can believe that as much as you want, but you haven’t explained why your beliefs should be enforced on others via state violence.

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                velindora@lemmy.cafe
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                Do you believe that people should be able to have sex out in public for everyone to see? And, why Do you feel the way you do?

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                  Bill 9 would outlaw prayer and face coverings in public institutions, sparking fears it targets Muslims in Canada

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                  kogito@lemmy.world
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                  #11

                  I believe Quebec is right.

                  Religion is like sex. I’m not against sex. But you don’t do it at work or in the streets. You do it at home or in a place that is designed for that. And you don’t that with children.

                  This is one of these things I will never understand about English Canada. In the Anglosphere culture, people believe secularism means all religions should have the equal right to express themselves in public area.

                  In France, there is laicité. People don’t want to see any religion in public. Religion is considered a sensitive private matter. You can wear religious clothes and pray on your own time.

                  Some one asked people in European countries subreddit about their thoughts on Quebec’s laicity law. In France, the majority of respondents (about 99%?) said it was a great idea

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                  • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

                    Do you believe that people should be able to have sex out in public for everyone to see? And, why Do you feel the way you do?

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                    NoneOfUrBusiness
                    wrote on last edited by noneofurbusiness@fedia.io
                    #12

                    No, because it’s people are almost universally made uncomfortable by it. It’s not like there’s a segment of society whose values and beliefs entail having sex in public. That still doesn’t support your point. I could make the exact same argument for Iranian hijab laws.

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                      velindora@lemmy.cafe
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                      #13

                      I believe that public display of religion makes enough people feel uncomfortable that it was banned in Quebec.

                      Let me ask you this, why do you feel that you should be able to practice your religion in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable? And a follow up question, don’t you think that you should be going to the designated spot for this?

                      I certainly don’t think we should ban religion in general. That’s crazy talk. I just don’t think we should be forcing things onto other people. Do you?

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                      • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

                        I believe that public display of religion makes enough people feel uncomfortable that it was banned in Quebec.

                        Let me ask you this, why do you feel that you should be able to practice your religion in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable? And a follow up question, don’t you think that you should be going to the designated spot for this?

                        I certainly don’t think we should ban religion in general. That’s crazy talk. I just don’t think we should be forcing things onto other people. Do you?

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                        anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        Your opinion makes me uncomfortable and I think we should ban expressing things like this in public 😞

                        /end sarcasm

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                        • A anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                          Your opinion makes me uncomfortable and I think we should ban expressing things like this in public 😞

                          /end sarcasm

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                          velindora@lemmy.cafe
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                          Good thing this isn’t public.

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                          • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

                            Good thing this isn’t public.

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                            anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                            You have fundamentally misunderstood the internet if you do not think this is public.

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                            • A anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                              You have fundamentally misunderstood the internet if you do not think this is public.

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                              velindora@lemmy.cafe
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                              There’s a real difference between doing something on an open internet forum and doing it out in public, physically. Online, people have to choose to click on something, follow a link, or open a post. If they don’t want to see it, they can just scroll past or block it. In the real world, you can’t avoid someone the same way—you can’t block a person walking toward you on the sidewalk, and you can’t just scroll away from something happening right in front of you.

                              Plus, online spaces usually come with filters, warnings, and moderation tools that don’t exist in physical public spaces. Everything online is also separated by screens and distance, so the impact isn’t the same as doing something right in front of people who have no way to opt out.

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                                Bill 9 would outlaw prayer and face coverings in public institutions, sparking fears it targets Muslims in Canada

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                                ceoofanarchism
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                                Extremely bad idea “laicite” is very wrong and as seen in France enforced selectively and against “others” to produce “conformity”.

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                                • T ceoofanarchism

                                  Extremely bad idea “laicite” is very wrong and as seen in France enforced selectively and against “others” to produce “conformity”.

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                                  Saapas
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                                  I’ve had people pray in front of the doors on a metro. Insane shit

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                                  • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                    Let’s ban something that never happened.

                                    The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.

                                    Fuck the CAQ gov

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                                    justOnePersistentKbinPlease
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                                    By far right you also mean the muslims who pretended a protest was just a public prayer event in the middle of the street and arguably caused this law to be a thing.

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                                      tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                                      By far right I mean actual asshole that stab people and not a protest made against a law

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                                      • A anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        You have fundamentally misunderstood the internet if you do not think this is public.

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                                        khar21@lemmy.ca
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                                        Porn is on the internet, does that mean people should start fucking in public?

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                                        • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                          Let’s ban something that never happened.

                                          The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.

                                          Fuck the CAQ gov

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                                          khar21@lemmy.ca
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                                          Here in Coquitlam, our parks get flooded with public prayers at noon. It makes me uncomfortable as someone who moved out of sharia law country.

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