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Nintendo sues Reddit mod for $4.5M

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  • TheAsianDonKnotsT TheAsianDonKnots

    Ok, but one could also argue that Nintendo was never going to release what this content creator made, it attracted more business to the official IP, the artist was expressing themselves through painstaking love for the content, and only asked for tips to support further creative adventures.

    Dropped my Switch for a Steam Deck and never looked back.

    Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop. Just say it’s not cannon and fucking move on you controlling pricks.

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    wrufieotnak@feddit.org
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    #6

    I think you are in the wrong thread. Mod in this article means the moderator of a subreddit, not a a modification of a game.

    Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop. Just say it’s not cannon and fucking move on you controlling pricks.

    100 % agreed.

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      the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
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      Fuck nintendo, stop giving money to these assholes.

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      • W wrufieotnak@feddit.org

        I think you are in the wrong thread. Mod in this article means the moderator of a subreddit, not a a modification of a game.

        Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop. Just say it’s not cannon and fucking move on you controlling pricks.

        100 % agreed.

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        TheAsianDonKnots
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        When did I say game mod? But yeah! Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop.

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          AnimalsDream
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          I guess it must be a hot take, because it gets downvoted a lot every time I say this, but…

          I think it’s better to boycott Nintendo outright, rather than pirate their games. Piracy is still promotion, it still benefits them, and anyone going out of their way to facilitate Nintendo piracy is clearly putting themselves at great risk. Even video content creators who are doing nothing illegal are at risk of legal battles they often can’t afford.

          Nothing that Nintendo comes out is so uniquely great that it’s worth putting up with their awful business practices, fan abuse, and general enshittification. As far as video game platforms go, Steam provides orders of magnitude more value for the same cost, and they are doing genuinely good work advancing the quality and popularity of Linux.

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          • TheAsianDonKnotsT TheAsianDonKnots

            When did I say game mod? But yeah! Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop.

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            wrufieotnak@feddit.org
            wrote on last edited by wrufieotnak@feddit.org
            #10

            You didn’t, but you referred to a content creator and his creative adventures? In what way is that not fitting better to mods as modification than mods as moderators?

            Because no matter your stance on piracy, it doesn’t create new things, but rather makes it available to more people.

            And also you referred to Nintendo never releasing what this creator made, which is strange when we are talking about somebody copying exactly what Nintendo released.

            So if you weren’t referring to game modifications and posted in a wrong thread, in what way did your original comment fit to this news article? Because I don’t see any connection.

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            • A AnimalsDream

              I guess it must be a hot take, because it gets downvoted a lot every time I say this, but…

              I think it’s better to boycott Nintendo outright, rather than pirate their games. Piracy is still promotion, it still benefits them, and anyone going out of their way to facilitate Nintendo piracy is clearly putting themselves at great risk. Even video content creators who are doing nothing illegal are at risk of legal battles they often can’t afford.

              Nothing that Nintendo comes out is so uniquely great that it’s worth putting up with their awful business practices, fan abuse, and general enshittification. As far as video game platforms go, Steam provides orders of magnitude more value for the same cost, and they are doing genuinely good work advancing the quality and popularity of Linux.

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              反いじめ戦隊
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              #11

              I doubt Nintendo fanatics know how to boycott at all.

              I’ve seen threads even in lemmyverse of folks purchasing the Switch2, esp. after some recent releases.
              I doubt they’ll ever even grow spines and burn Execs’ homes.

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              • W wrufieotnak@feddit.org

                Multiple interesting things in this case.

                First that they could even identify the mod, second that he apparently asked for donations as thanks. Getting monetary benefits from something makes it much harder to argue that you just did it out of interest and not to illegally profit from it.

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                MudMan
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                #12

                Yeeeeeah, the headline in isolation is a bit misleading and unfortunately this seems in line with some recent Nintendo moves where they go after people who slipped on something adjacent.

                I have no idea how things work wherever this guy lives, but over here soliciting remuneration would be the difference between this being a problem or not.

                That said, I still hope they lose this and I have so many serious questions about how Reddit wouldn’t be liable if the content is illegal and they didn’t do anything to moderate it. This is a weird one and it’s worth keeping an eye on, although I would imagine Nintendo is hoping the lawsuit itself acts as a deterrent regardless.

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                  Sunshine (she/her)
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  Okay, that’s it. Time to boycott Nintendo.

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                  • T the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world

                    Fuck nintendo, stop giving money to these assholes.

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                    Sunshine (she/her)
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                    #14

                    Check out games in libraries and buy used if you still have an old switch.

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                      callmeanai@lemmy.world
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                      Y’all will still keep on feeding them money for the same 7 games rereleased 18 times over.

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                        simple
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                        #16

                        as always shitty journalism from polygon that conveniently leaves out details

                        1. he was allegedly running rom download sites that had some roms behind a paywall and casually advertised them on the switch pirates subreddit to try and make money

                        2. he received a cease and decist telling him to stop and completely ignored it

                        3. the 4.5m Nintendo is asking for is the default judgement, not a specific number

                        this guy is a dumbass, basically

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                        • W wrufieotnak@feddit.org

                          Multiple interesting things in this case.

                          First that they could even identify the mod, second that he apparently asked for donations as thanks. Getting monetary benefits from something makes it much harder to argue that you just did it out of interest and not to illegally profit from it.

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                          simple
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                          second that he apparently asked for donations as thanks.

                          he wasn’t asking for donations, he was illegally selling roms, something polygon didn’t mention

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                          • S simple

                            as always shitty journalism from polygon that conveniently leaves out details

                            1. he was allegedly running rom download sites that had some roms behind a paywall and casually advertised them on the switch pirates subreddit to try and make money

                            2. he received a cease and decist telling him to stop and completely ignored it

                            3. the 4.5m Nintendo is asking for is the default judgement, not a specific number

                            this guy is a dumbass, basically

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                            Your first two points are mentioned in the article:

                            The filing claims that Williams sent thousands of messages on Reddit to other users directing them to piracy websites, at times offering technical support for issues fans might encounter while attempting to mod their Switch. Williams reportedly asked for “donations” of Nintendo eShop gift cards in exchange for his services. The Japanese company believes that Williams created, operated, supported, and promoted piracy websites that allowed users to download “extensive” libraries of Nintendo Switch games.

                            In the lawsuit, Nintendo also says that it attempted to work with Williams by sending a cease and desist letter in March 2024. In it, Nintendo urged Williams to “shut down his pirate shops.” While Williams initially seemed receptive, Nintendo alleges that progress came to a halt as Williams denied involvement with any piracy shop and apparently became “combative.” Eventually, Williams apparently deleted his online posts that could imply culpability.

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                            • Tywèle [she|her]T Tywèle [she|her]

                              Your first two points are mentioned in the article:

                              The filing claims that Williams sent thousands of messages on Reddit to other users directing them to piracy websites, at times offering technical support for issues fans might encounter while attempting to mod their Switch. Williams reportedly asked for “donations” of Nintendo eShop gift cards in exchange for his services. The Japanese company believes that Williams created, operated, supported, and promoted piracy websites that allowed users to download “extensive” libraries of Nintendo Switch games.

                              In the lawsuit, Nintendo also says that it attempted to work with Williams by sending a cease and desist letter in March 2024. In it, Nintendo urged Williams to “shut down his pirate shops.” While Williams initially seemed receptive, Nintendo alleges that progress came to a halt as Williams denied involvement with any piracy shop and apparently became “combative.” Eventually, Williams apparently deleted his online posts that could imply culpability.

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                              simple
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                              there’s a big difference between making a piracy website and profiting off selling pirated content, which the article doesn’t mention. there’s also a lot of nintendo claims and he denies which doesn’t make it clear what was happening, but so many redditors knew and confirmed he was selling roms which makes his story clearly false and less likeable

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                                visstix@lemmy.world
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                                Eh people selling roms can fuck off anyway.

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                                • TheAsianDonKnotsT TheAsianDonKnots

                                  Ok, but one could also argue that Nintendo was never going to release what this content creator made, it attracted more business to the official IP, the artist was expressing themselves through painstaking love for the content, and only asked for tips to support further creative adventures.

                                  Dropped my Switch for a Steam Deck and never looked back.

                                  Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop. Just say it’s not cannon and fucking move on you controlling pricks.

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                                  artyom
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                                  You’re arguing logic where the person you replied to was just stating facts.

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                                  • TheAsianDonKnotsT TheAsianDonKnots

                                    When did I say game mod? But yeah! Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop.

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                                    artyom
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                                    Nintendo was never going to release what this content creator made

                                    They didn’t make anything, they just ran a community and offered support and advice, accepting donations in exchange.

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                                    • A AnimalsDream

                                      I guess it must be a hot take, because it gets downvoted a lot every time I say this, but…

                                      I think it’s better to boycott Nintendo outright, rather than pirate their games. Piracy is still promotion, it still benefits them, and anyone going out of their way to facilitate Nintendo piracy is clearly putting themselves at great risk. Even video content creators who are doing nothing illegal are at risk of legal battles they often can’t afford.

                                      Nothing that Nintendo comes out is so uniquely great that it’s worth putting up with their awful business practices, fan abuse, and general enshittification. As far as video game platforms go, Steam provides orders of magnitude more value for the same cost, and they are doing genuinely good work advancing the quality and popularity of Linux.

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                                      trickdacy@lemmy.world
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                                      #23

                                      This would never be downvoted on Lemmy, so you’ve asked to be distrusted. And no, piracy is not promotion. No one is going home and buying a switch 2 if they play an emulator of an SNES game at my house.

                                      People play Nintendo games because they are fun. Pretending otherwise is kind of stupid. I’m hard pressed to give them any more money, but some weird campaign to pretend they don’t exist isn’t going to change a damned thing.

                                      Edit: notice how I’m downvoted but the person saying a popular opinion while claiming they’ll be downvoted gets upvoted. Imagine that.

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                                        rozodru
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                                        Ok but why were Redditors paying this dude? I mean there’s LITERALLY the ROM Megathread via Reddit that has…literally everything listed, for free, to download. You don’t even need to go to various rom sites or anything because it’s all in that megathread for every system even system bios.

                                        Hell even fitgirl does Switch roms.

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                                          No on hates their own fans more than Nintendo. Pirate everything they sell.

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