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Nintendo sues Reddit mod for $4.5M

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  • A AnimalsDream

    I guess it must be a hot take, because it gets downvoted a lot every time I say this, but…

    I think it’s better to boycott Nintendo outright, rather than pirate their games. Piracy is still promotion, it still benefits them, and anyone going out of their way to facilitate Nintendo piracy is clearly putting themselves at great risk. Even video content creators who are doing nothing illegal are at risk of legal battles they often can’t afford.

    Nothing that Nintendo comes out is so uniquely great that it’s worth putting up with their awful business practices, fan abuse, and general enshittification. As far as video game platforms go, Steam provides orders of magnitude more value for the same cost, and they are doing genuinely good work advancing the quality and popularity of Linux.

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    反いじめ戦隊
    wrote on last edited by antibullyranger@ani.social
    #11

    I doubt Nintendo fanatics know how to boycott at all.

    I’ve seen threads even in lemmyverse of folks purchasing the Switch2, esp. after some recent releases.
    I doubt they’ll ever even grow spines and burn Execs’ homes.

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    • W wrufieotnak@feddit.org

      Multiple interesting things in this case.

      First that they could even identify the mod, second that he apparently asked for donations as thanks. Getting monetary benefits from something makes it much harder to argue that you just did it out of interest and not to illegally profit from it.

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      MudMan
      wrote on last edited by mudman@fedia.io
      #12

      Yeeeeeah, the headline in isolation is a bit misleading and unfortunately this seems in line with some recent Nintendo moves where they go after people who slipped on something adjacent.

      I have no idea how things work wherever this guy lives, but over here soliciting remuneration would be the difference between this being a problem or not.

      That said, I still hope they lose this and I have so many serious questions about how Reddit wouldn’t be liable if the content is illegal and they didn’t do anything to moderate it. This is a weird one and it’s worth keeping an eye on, although I would imagine Nintendo is hoping the lawsuit itself acts as a deterrent regardless.

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        Sunshine (she/her)
        wrote on last edited by
        #13

        Okay, that’s it. Time to boycott Nintendo.

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        • T the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world

          Fuck nintendo, stop giving money to these assholes.

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          Sunshine (she/her)
          wrote on last edited by
          #14

          Check out games in libraries and buy used if you still have an old switch.

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            callmeanai@lemmy.world
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            #15

            Y’all will still keep on feeding them money for the same 7 games rereleased 18 times over.

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              simple
              wrote on last edited by simple@piefed.social
              #16

              as always shitty journalism from polygon that conveniently leaves out details

              1. he was allegedly running rom download sites that had some roms behind a paywall and casually advertised them on the switch pirates subreddit to try and make money

              2. he received a cease and decist telling him to stop and completely ignored it

              3. the 4.5m Nintendo is asking for is the default judgement, not a specific number

              this guy is a dumbass, basically

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              • W wrufieotnak@feddit.org

                Multiple interesting things in this case.

                First that they could even identify the mod, second that he apparently asked for donations as thanks. Getting monetary benefits from something makes it much harder to argue that you just did it out of interest and not to illegally profit from it.

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                simple
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                #17

                second that he apparently asked for donations as thanks.

                he wasn’t asking for donations, he was illegally selling roms, something polygon didn’t mention

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                • S simple

                  as always shitty journalism from polygon that conveniently leaves out details

                  1. he was allegedly running rom download sites that had some roms behind a paywall and casually advertised them on the switch pirates subreddit to try and make money

                  2. he received a cease and decist telling him to stop and completely ignored it

                  3. the 4.5m Nintendo is asking for is the default judgement, not a specific number

                  this guy is a dumbass, basically

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                  wrote on last edited by tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  #18

                  Your first two points are mentioned in the article:

                  The filing claims that Williams sent thousands of messages on Reddit to other users directing them to piracy websites, at times offering technical support for issues fans might encounter while attempting to mod their Switch. Williams reportedly asked for “donations” of Nintendo eShop gift cards in exchange for his services. The Japanese company believes that Williams created, operated, supported, and promoted piracy websites that allowed users to download “extensive” libraries of Nintendo Switch games.

                  In the lawsuit, Nintendo also says that it attempted to work with Williams by sending a cease and desist letter in March 2024. In it, Nintendo urged Williams to “shut down his pirate shops.” While Williams initially seemed receptive, Nintendo alleges that progress came to a halt as Williams denied involvement with any piracy shop and apparently became “combative.” Eventually, Williams apparently deleted his online posts that could imply culpability.

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                  • Tywèle [she|her]T Tywèle [she|her]

                    Your first two points are mentioned in the article:

                    The filing claims that Williams sent thousands of messages on Reddit to other users directing them to piracy websites, at times offering technical support for issues fans might encounter while attempting to mod their Switch. Williams reportedly asked for “donations” of Nintendo eShop gift cards in exchange for his services. The Japanese company believes that Williams created, operated, supported, and promoted piracy websites that allowed users to download “extensive” libraries of Nintendo Switch games.

                    In the lawsuit, Nintendo also says that it attempted to work with Williams by sending a cease and desist letter in March 2024. In it, Nintendo urged Williams to “shut down his pirate shops.” While Williams initially seemed receptive, Nintendo alleges that progress came to a halt as Williams denied involvement with any piracy shop and apparently became “combative.” Eventually, Williams apparently deleted his online posts that could imply culpability.

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                    simple
                    wrote on last edited by simple@piefed.social
                    #19

                    there’s a big difference between making a piracy website and profiting off selling pirated content, which the article doesn’t mention. there’s also a lot of nintendo claims and he denies which doesn’t make it clear what was happening, but so many redditors knew and confirmed he was selling roms which makes his story clearly false and less likeable

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                      visstix@lemmy.world
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                      Eh people selling roms can fuck off anyway.

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                      • TheAsianDonKnotsT TheAsianDonKnots

                        Ok, but one could also argue that Nintendo was never going to release what this content creator made, it attracted more business to the official IP, the artist was expressing themselves through painstaking love for the content, and only asked for tips to support further creative adventures.

                        Dropped my Switch for a Steam Deck and never looked back.

                        Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop. Just say it’s not cannon and fucking move on you controlling pricks.

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                        artyom
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                        #21

                        You’re arguing logic where the person you replied to was just stating facts.

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                        • TheAsianDonKnotsT TheAsianDonKnots

                          When did I say game mod? But yeah! Fuck Nintendo and Games Workshop.

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                          artyom
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #22

                          Nintendo was never going to release what this content creator made

                          They didn’t make anything, they just ran a community and offered support and advice, accepting donations in exchange.

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                          • A AnimalsDream

                            I guess it must be a hot take, because it gets downvoted a lot every time I say this, but…

                            I think it’s better to boycott Nintendo outright, rather than pirate their games. Piracy is still promotion, it still benefits them, and anyone going out of their way to facilitate Nintendo piracy is clearly putting themselves at great risk. Even video content creators who are doing nothing illegal are at risk of legal battles they often can’t afford.

                            Nothing that Nintendo comes out is so uniquely great that it’s worth putting up with their awful business practices, fan abuse, and general enshittification. As far as video game platforms go, Steam provides orders of magnitude more value for the same cost, and they are doing genuinely good work advancing the quality and popularity of Linux.

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                            wrote on last edited by trickdacy@lemmy.world
                            #23

                            This would never be downvoted on Lemmy, so you’ve asked to be distrusted. And no, piracy is not promotion. No one is going home and buying a switch 2 if they play an emulator of an SNES game at my house.

                            People play Nintendo games because they are fun. Pretending otherwise is kind of stupid. I’m hard pressed to give them any more money, but some weird campaign to pretend they don’t exist isn’t going to change a damned thing.

                            Edit: notice how I’m downvoted but the person saying a popular opinion while claiming they’ll be downvoted gets upvoted. Imagine that.

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                              rozodru
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                              Ok but why were Redditors paying this dude? I mean there’s LITERALLY the ROM Megathread via Reddit that has…literally everything listed, for free, to download. You don’t even need to go to various rom sites or anything because it’s all in that megathread for every system even system bios.

                              Hell even fitgirl does Switch roms.

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                                No on hates their own fans more than Nintendo. Pirate everything they sell.

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                                • trickdacy@lemmy.worldT trickdacy@lemmy.world

                                  This would never be downvoted on Lemmy, so you’ve asked to be distrusted. And no, piracy is not promotion. No one is going home and buying a switch 2 if they play an emulator of an SNES game at my house.

                                  People play Nintendo games because they are fun. Pretending otherwise is kind of stupid. I’m hard pressed to give them any more money, but some weird campaign to pretend they don’t exist isn’t going to change a damned thing.

                                  Edit: notice how I’m downvoted but the person saying a popular opinion while claiming they’ll be downvoted gets upvoted. Imagine that.

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                                  AnimalsDream
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                                  #26

                                  You’re basically saying boycotts are ineffective. That’s bullshit. Sure I know Nintendo isn’t going away, but now I’m putting my time, effort, and money towards the goods and services from a more deserving company. And Nintendo is gone from my life.

                                  It’s about what you want to grow, not what you want to die.

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                                  • A AnimalsDream

                                    You’re basically saying boycotts are ineffective. That’s bullshit. Sure I know Nintendo isn’t going away, but now I’m putting my time, effort, and money towards the goods and services from a more deserving company. And Nintendo is gone from my life.

                                    It’s about what you want to grow, not what you want to die.

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                                    wrote on last edited by trickdacy@lemmy.world
                                    #27

                                    No, I’m saying boycotts are good but a weirdo interpretation of them which say piracy violates a boycott is fucking stupid

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                                    • N n4ch1sm0

                                      Yup, and when the official ICE Twitter page utilizes their intellectual property in a video showcasing them also ruining peoples lives, we get crickets from Nintendo.

                                      I used to feel bad that they struggle for profit, with what they set out to do back in the day with their influence in the video game industry and all; now I wholeheartedly believe they should fucking sink.

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                                      smokedbillionaire@sh.itjust.works
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                                      Nintendo not having any legal standing doesn’t help. Parody law is set and settled and unfortunately the ICE video counts as fair use. They did actually come out and say they had nothing to do with it and didn’t give any permission.

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                                      • S simple

                                        as always shitty journalism from polygon that conveniently leaves out details

                                        1. he was allegedly running rom download sites that had some roms behind a paywall and casually advertised them on the switch pirates subreddit to try and make money

                                        2. he received a cease and decist telling him to stop and completely ignored it

                                        3. the 4.5m Nintendo is asking for is the default judgement, not a specific number

                                        this guy is a dumbass, basically

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                                        glide@lemmy.ca
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                                        But this doesn’t confirm my bias’.

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                                        • A AnimalsDream

                                          You’re basically saying boycotts are ineffective. That’s bullshit. Sure I know Nintendo isn’t going away, but now I’m putting my time, effort, and money towards the goods and services from a more deserving company. And Nintendo is gone from my life.

                                          It’s about what you want to grow, not what you want to die.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #30

                                          Nintendo is gone from my life.

                                          No it isn’t. You’re here on a soapbox telling people that they aren’t doing enough by completely changing their buying behavior. That’s not enough – they have to also conform to an arbitrary goalpost that you set. Nintendo is still so in your life that you’re can’t even let people pirate their shit in peace.

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