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Tesla Robotaxis Reportedly Crashing at a Rate That's 4x Higher Than Humans

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  • Midnight WolfW Midnight Wolf

    Smh they should have paid for the ‘not killed spontaneously’ package. Their fault, really.

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    ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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    Username checks out

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    • A ageedizzle

      He’s right in that if current AI models were genuinely intelligent in the way humans are then cameras would be enough to achieve at least human level driving skills. The problem of course is that AI models are not nearly at that level yet

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      kameecoding@lemmy.world
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      I am a Human and there were occasions where I couldn’t tell if it’s an obstacle on the road or a weird shadow…

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      • embed_me@programming.devE embed_me@programming.dev

        “So long as the AI has the same intelligence as a human brain” is a pretty big assumption. That assumption is in sci-fi territory.

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        ageedizzle
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        Yeah thats my point

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        • R ramenshaman@lemmy.world

          Use lidar you ketamine saturated motherfucker

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          knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world
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          Can’t do that. Then he would have to upgrade all legacy cars. And he is missing the lidar dataset.

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          • K kameecoding@lemmy.world

            I am a Human and there were occasions where I couldn’t tell if it’s an obstacle on the road or a weird shadow…

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            ageedizzle
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            Yes. In theory cameras should be enough to get you up to human level driving competence but even that is a low bar.

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            • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

              Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

              Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

              The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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              roofuskit@lemmy.world
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              • C clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                Cameras are inferior to human vision in many ways. Especially the ones used on Teslas.

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                alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
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                Lower dynamic range for one.

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                • E excessshiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  Eh, not really though. Generally if your car is stopped, even in the middle of the road, you are not at fault if someone else hits you. You can still get fined for obstruction of traffic, but the incident is entirely the fault of the moving vehicle.

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                  uienia@lemmy.world
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                  If you stop in the middle of a highway you absolutely are at fault.

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                  • lechekaflanL lechekaflan

                    I do (sarcastically) love knowing Leave the World Behind is a documentary.

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                    ours@lemmy.world
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                    Thanks Obama.

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                    • K knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world

                      Can’t do that. Then he would have to upgrade all legacy cars. And he is missing the lidar dataset.

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                      ramenshaman@lemmy.world
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                      The best time to add lidar would have been years ago, the second best time is right now. I don’t think he would have to update the old cars, it could just be part of the hardware V5 package. He’s obviously comfortable with having customers beta testing production vehicles so he can start creating a lidar set now or he can continue failing to make reliable self-driving cars.

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                      • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                        Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                        Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                        The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                        xSikes
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                        And newsom doesn’t give a shit

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                        • R ramenshaman@lemmy.world

                          The best time to add lidar would have been years ago, the second best time is right now. I don’t think he would have to update the old cars, it could just be part of the hardware V5 package. He’s obviously comfortable with having customers beta testing production vehicles so he can start creating a lidar set now or he can continue failing to make reliable self-driving cars.

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                          knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world
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                          I agree with you. Musk’s ego doesn’t.

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                          • A ageedizzle

                            I agree it would be better. I’m just saying that in theory cameras are all that would be required to achieve human level performance, so long as the AI was capable enough

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                            bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
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                            Except humans have self cleaning lenses. Cars don’t.

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                            • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                              Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                              Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                              The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                              Misuse Case
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                              @spaghettiwestern @AngelaPreston But but but. They told us self-driving cars would be safer than human drivers.

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                              • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                                Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                                Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                                The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                                😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈
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                                Musk = POS Nazi.

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                                • N notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world

                                  Are they even insured like typical insurance?

                                  If Tesla owns it, don’t they just pay out of pocket as needed, they don’t actually have a monthly payment to themselves or anything?

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                                  copd@lemmy.world
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                                  There’s no way, then why can’t I drive around “uninsured” with the promise I’ll pay out of my pocket for any damage.

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                                  • X xSikes

                                    And newsom doesn’t give a shit

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                                    73ms@sopuli.xyz
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                                    What does this have to do with Newsom? Tesla isn’t allowed to operate this way in California, the accidents are from the Texas data.

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                                    • Misuse CaseM Misuse Case

                                      @spaghettiwestern @AngelaPreston But but but. They told us self-driving cars would be safer than human drivers.

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                                      Angela
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                                      @MisuseCase @spaghettiwestern Right?! How could they say it if it wasn't true? /sarcasm

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