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...I feel like I'm the only person in this Lemmy conversation other than the OP who didn't completely miss the point of the OP was making:

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  • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote last edited by pteryx@dice.camp
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    EDIT: Some people started coming in with better thoughts!

    ...I feel like I'm the only person in this Lemmy conversation other than the OP who didn't completely miss the point the OP was making:

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    One of my pet peeves of modern fantasy media is the notion that some people are “special” - and thus implied to be “better” - than other people because of some inherent magical ability. One of the best-known modern examples of this is the Harry Potter franchise, where the protagonists are mostly mages, and even the characters who actually care about the welfare of the latter do so in an extremely patronizing way - i.e. by stopping the “bad mages” rather than working together. In #dnd and similar #ttrpg, the concept is represent by the “sorcerer” and similar characters who gained their cool powers from some innate birth ability rather than study and hard work. And while there is nothing wrong with wanting to play such a character, just for once I would like to see an in-setting examination of what it means to have this privilege, instead of the more common: “Oh no, woe is me, I have been born with special powers and will be hated and persecuted for them. Thus, I must spend most of my time in a secret society with my fellow very special people!” To be clear, people born with privilege did not ask to be born with privilege, and cannot be blamed for that. However, they should also acknowledge that they have this privilege, and not assume that they are somehow “better” than people without it.

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    Of course, it may not help that the *text* of OPs on Lemmy don't render on Mastodon so you have to actually follow the link.

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      EDIT: Some people started coming in with better thoughts!

      ...I feel like I'm the only person in this Lemmy conversation other than the OP who didn't completely miss the point the OP was making:

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      The Privilege of Sorcerers - The TTRPG network

      One of my pet peeves of modern fantasy media is the notion that some people are “special” - and thus implied to be “better” - than other people because of some inherent magical ability. One of the best-known modern examples of this is the Harry Potter franchise, where the protagonists are mostly mages, and even the characters who actually care about the welfare of the latter do so in an extremely patronizing way - i.e. by stopping the “bad mages” rather than working together. In #dnd and similar #ttrpg, the concept is represent by the “sorcerer” and similar characters who gained their cool powers from some innate birth ability rather than study and hard work. And while there is nothing wrong with wanting to play such a character, just for once I would like to see an in-setting examination of what it means to have this privilege, instead of the more common: “Oh no, woe is me, I have been born with special powers and will be hated and persecuted for them. Thus, I must spend most of my time in a secret society with my fellow very special people!” To be clear, people born with privilege did not ask to be born with privilege, and cannot be blamed for that. However, they should also acknowledge that they have this privilege, and not assume that they are somehow “better” than people without it.

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      Of course, it may not help that the *text* of OPs on Lemmy don't render on Mastodon so you have to actually follow the link.

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      Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP This user is from outside of this forum
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      Follow-up: Ah, good, this reply is more like it:

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        I’m never going to learn. I come across this kind of obtuseness painfully often in rpg discussions, and I’m always – and I mean always – caught off guard by it. I just expect TTRPG fans to be into things like world building and the deeper questions of setting, and they keep telling me that the only thing they’re cognizant of is stat blocks and rules interactions.

        To the point where I’ve been told that everything but grid-based combat and roll resolutions is just empty set dressing.

        I’ve come to, but seem incapable of holding on to, the conclusion that most TTRPG fans just want an XCOM game they can bully in order to get their way.

        Which is a shame, because Jürgen Hubert has a lot of interesting things to say on RPG settings, and the stories that inspire and underpin them, and having almost everyone completely talk past the prompt was disheartening.

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