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    archpawn@lemmy.world
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    There are two fun things you can do with D&D. You can be pointlessly pedantic with the rules, and you can play. As long as you don’t do both at once you’re good.

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    • J jounniy@ttrpg.network

      Happy to be of service. Arguing over RAU (Rules As Unintended) is very fun at times.

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      archpawn@lemmy.world
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      Usually not when actually playing, though sometimes it can be. For example, by RAU, if you cast Imprisonment (Slumber) on an elf, they’ll be immune to the part that makes them sleep, but still get immunity to aging and hunger. It’s not OP for a ninth-level spell, and it has interesting worldbuilding implications, so you can just run with it.

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      • mimicjar@lemmy.worldM mimicjar@lemmy.world

        What would happen if the disintegrate spell targeted a creature or object but a wall of force existed between them? I’m guessing it would just destroy the wall and then continue onward to the target?

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        archpawn@lemmy.world
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        If they don’t have total cover, they’re hit. Nothing says that disintegrate needs line of sight. If they do have total cover, they can’t be targeted.

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        • J jounniy@ttrpg.network

          Oh gosh that’s wild. Whoops.

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          #98

          I thought it was funny, to be fair 🤣

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          • J jounniy@ttrpg.network

            No it doesn’t need to. As there are methods to see invisible creatures or objects, you could very well rule that you need to make use of one of those effects to use this part of the spells capabilities.

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            vithigar@lemmy.ca
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            Oh, true. It had slipped my mind that see invisibility allowed you to see things that were innately invisible and not just things magically made invisible.

            Well now I just look foolish!

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              jennylafae@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Tired of pesky adventurers always seeing your tricks? Try applying Invisible metamagic to conjured Fog today!

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              • M mrfinnbean@lemmy.world

                Not going to lie. People who argue for rules like Jesse in the meme, makes me not want to play D&D.

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                itguylevi@programming.dev
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                Personally I used to love it, if the DM did that it inspired players to play; usually whoever had theage would say something like I can’t destroy what I can’t see and the the fun starts… Someone throws flour from their pack at it (or dirt, oil, something to make the invisible object visable in another way).

                I haven’t played in over 20 years so I’m sure it’s changed a lot but that kind of stuff was fun to me.

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                • A archpawn@lemmy.world

                  And then you’ll figure out how to cast a 12th level spell to steal the power of a god. Mystra learned her lesson the hard way.

                  But if you want to play RAW, go ahead. Oh, you died and you want to be brought back to life? Sorry, the spell targets a “creature that died in the last minute”, and now that you’re dead, you’re an object.

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                  itguylevi@programming.dev
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                  I mean that outlook, while it’s cool for your campaign, it would make raising the dead (to fight for you) pretty difficult as I thought most animate dead type spells required a dead creature to animate and wouldnt work with an object, otherwise people would just make small effigies to animate instead of summoning the dead in battle.

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                  • I itguylevi@programming.dev

                    Personally I used to love it, if the DM did that it inspired players to play; usually whoever had theage would say something like I can’t destroy what I can’t see and the the fun starts… Someone throws flour from their pack at it (or dirt, oil, something to make the invisible object visable in another way).

                    I haven’t played in over 20 years so I’m sure it’s changed a lot but that kind of stuff was fun to me.

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                    mrfinnbean@lemmy.world
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                    I understand where you are coming from, but it think there are plenty of opportunities for improvisation and creative solutions without the need to start splitting hairs about specific wording.

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                    • M mrfinnbean@lemmy.world

                      I understand where you are coming from, but it think there are plenty of opportunities for improvisation and creative solutions without the need to start splitting hairs about specific wording.

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                      itguylevi@programming.dev
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                      I feel that people not following the wording kills a lot if the experience, obviously the DM is god and makes final calls but, some stuff kills it. I remember playing with one guy that wanted every fight to be epic but he didn’t really understand the wording in the monster manual so he would constantly throw huge battles at us and underpower them or just play them weird (like dragons that aren’t smart despite their int score). Before ever seeing level 15 our characters could have taken out God’s with the gear and crap he had given us.

                      Fun memories though so I guess it really doesn’t matter, it’s all about how you like to play.

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                      • A archpawn@lemmy.world

                        And then you’ll figure out how to cast a 12th level spell to steal the power of a god. Mystra learned her lesson the hard way.

                        But if you want to play RAW, go ahead. Oh, you died and you want to be brought back to life? Sorry, the spell targets a “creature that died in the last minute”, and now that you’re dead, you’re an object.

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                        jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                        No I don’t want to play RAW. I just don’t want in game solutions to out of game problems. Just (and I know that this will seem extremely absurd, but hear me out!) talk to your players about it like a normal person and make it clear before you start to play.

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                        • Øπ3ŕO Øπ3ŕ

                          I thought it was funny, to be fair 🤣

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                          jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                          I actually think it’s funny too.

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                          • H hikaru755@lemmy.world

                            No. Why is that relevant?

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                            turdcollector69@lemmy.world
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                            I was extremely baked when I asked that but I think it was a question about how some light will reflect off your eye into your eye therefore you’re seeing your own eyes.

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                            • A archpawn@lemmy.world

                              Usually not when actually playing, though sometimes it can be. For example, by RAU, if you cast Imprisonment (Slumber) on an elf, they’ll be immune to the part that makes them sleep, but still get immunity to aging and hunger. It’s not OP for a ninth-level spell, and it has interesting worldbuilding implications, so you can just run with it.

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                              jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                              As hilarious as that is, are you sure that being immune to the form of imprisonment doesn’t just make the spell fail?

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                              • L lumisal@lemmy.world

                                Actually that’s us seeing light.

                                Edit: specifically, the light wavelength that remains at passing through the atmosphere. We’re but seeing the air still, we’re just seeing the color that makes it through to us. Saying that’s the air itself would be like saying you see the cities filtration system by looking at the clean water that comes from a faucet.

                                A better example of actually seeing air would be to freeze it, and seeing the literal frozen air.

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                                hikaru755@lemmy.world
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                                Responding to your edit:

                                You’ve got it the wrong way around. What you see at sunset, the reds and yellows, that’s the sunlight being filtered because those wavelengths make it through stronger. Your argument would hold there, if we do not count seeing filtered light as “seeing” the filtering material. (Although even that I’d question - if you hold a colored piece of glass against a light source so it’s entirely backlit, would you say you’re not seeing it?)

                                But the blue sky is not that. It is the air molecules being illuminated by light coming from somewhere else, and bouncing that light back into your eyes, with a bias towards blue wavelengths. If that does not count as “seeing” air, then you also can’t actually “see” fog, it’s the same mechanism.

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                                • T turdcollector69@lemmy.world

                                  I was extremely baked when I asked that but I think it was a question about how some light will reflect off your eye into your eye therefore you’re seeing your own eyes.

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                                  hikaru755@lemmy.world
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                                  I guess having floaters, or that weird effect of seeing your white blood cells in the capillaries on your retina would probably count haha

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                                  • I itguylevi@programming.dev

                                    I feel that people not following the wording kills a lot if the experience, obviously the DM is god and makes final calls but, some stuff kills it. I remember playing with one guy that wanted every fight to be epic but he didn’t really understand the wording in the monster manual so he would constantly throw huge battles at us and underpower them or just play them weird (like dragons that aren’t smart despite their int score). Before ever seeing level 15 our characters could have taken out God’s with the gear and crap he had given us.

                                    Fun memories though so I guess it really doesn’t matter, it’s all about how you like to play.

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                                    mrfinnbean@lemmy.world
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                                    Are you saying the example in this meme is good way to follow the word of the rules?

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                                    • J jounniy@ttrpg.network

                                      That’s a weird way of saying that she does not like Wizards. Because if you study something enough, you are bound to find loopholes.

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                                      starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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                                      Finding loopholes is one thing, focusing on finding them so that you can “erm actually” a god is another. A wizard is bound to wonder if lungs count as an open container. A wizard who asserts that they are and doesn’t take no for an answer is gonna get his spell slots sapped for a bit

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                                      • J jounniy@ttrpg.network

                                        No I don’t want to play RAW. I just don’t want in game solutions to out of game problems. Just (and I know that this will seem extremely absurd, but hear me out!) talk to your players about it like a normal person and make it clear before you start to play.

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                                        starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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                                        I mean it’s tongue-in-cheek, and it’s never really been a problem at my table. Just a fun way to remind casters not to argue about specific wording interpretations in spells, and take them as their most obvious meaning

                                        Now, if a caster comes up with something clever, they can make an Intelligence (Persuasion) check to see if Mystra will allow something. Just don’t tell Mystra how her own body works

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