We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community.

Mr. Bruno :verified:

@Gargron I had to make sure this wasn't from The Onion.

Andy L.

@Gargron Edit: I didn't realize that Zulip is Open-Source. So, corporate, maybe, but not closed source.

Original Toot :

Isn't there a non-corporate solution?

There's more than a little unfortunate irony in the Mastodon team jumping ship from Discord to another corporate provider that just hasn't entered its enshitification phase yet.

Targrus

@Gargron .. I had not seen Zulip before. Thank you for putting it on my radar.

noodlejetski :verified_gay:

@Gargron yeah, gonna be tricky to move those. especially with how convenient to use the voice channels are.

Eugen Rochko

@apLundell Zulip is open source though?

Susanne Lilith

@Gargron Wäre ich paranoid, würde ich sagen, da versucht jemand an Daten, Namen und Meinungen zu kommen.

Zark Muckerburg

@Gargron matrix has been a bit of a challenge with voice chat in the past. But for text chat is great. There is also Stoat Chat which does have wonderful group chat system
In place. Lastly if your a happy tinkerer than you an look into the many discord clone projects out there and build the instance locally from the many GitHub repos

Andy L.

@Gargron Oh, I guess it is. Then I retract my criticism. Sorry.

Rachel Rawlings

@Gargron I quit a writing group on Discord years ago when I noticed it was broadcasting every time I opened a game in steam, and wondered what other things it was spying on.

pounce

@Gargron don't forget us IRC folks have been working to reach feature parity with discord the whole time that people have been moving away from it

it's a pretty good alternative these days!

Mischa

@Gargron Zulip doesn’t have voice right? What are you using as an alternative for that?

Netraven

@Gargron Not a participant, but I hope discord dies just because of how many communities it has destroyed.

Richard

@Gargron So, should we discontinue Patreon donations? And wait until you are set up in the new location?

Eugen Rochko

@waystation Why would you need to do that? You don’t have to use Discord even now, it is optional.

Dmian 🇪🇺

@lefteristrip23 @Gargron I’m just guessing, but maybe because they’re a small team that needs a solution and not another service to manage and maintain? Sometimes you just want a no-friction service that won’t add extra load on your employees. But that’s me speculating. There could be a way different but completely justified reason. These are smart people, and I trust they know what they’re doing.

Richard

@Gargron I don't use discord. I never even visit the Patreon. I just didn't know if Patreon is becoming an unsafe space.

Григорий Клюшников

I don't understand why all centralized services suddenly insist on actually verifying their users' age for real. What was wrong with asking for a birth date or even just presenting a "yes I'm 18 or older" button? NSFW websites somehow still do just fine with that, but Discord, which is much less "risky" in comparison, somehow needs real verification?

Gosh I miss the old internet.

Eugen Rochko

@waystation We have a Discord for people who support us on Patreon. We’re planning to move from Discord to Zulip for that purpose instead.

Λευτέρης Τ.

@dmian @Gargron to be fair, matrix isn't quite there yet, indeed

Richard

@Gargron Ah, I misread. My apologies. I've been under the weather since last night.

Wandering Adventure Party

We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community.