We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community.
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I don't understand why all centralized services suddenly insist on actually verifying their users' age for real. What was wrong with asking for a birth date or even just presenting a "yes I'm 18 or older" button? NSFW websites somehow still do just fine with that, but Discord, which is much less "risky" in comparison, somehow needs real verification?
Gosh I miss the old internet.
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@Gargron I quit a writing group on Discord years ago when I noticed it was broadcasting every time I opened a game in steam, and wondered what other things it was spying on.
@linuxandyarn @Gargron I also caught Discord spying on a laptop of mine - while in sleep mode, in the middle of the night, Discord kept a laptop awake, churning hard. I heard the laptop fan whirring in the middle of the night, when it should have been silent. I determined it was #Discord, and uninstalled that motherfucker immediately. This was several years ago.
Discord, fuck you
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
@Gargron Finally!
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@linuxandyarn @Gargron I also caught Discord spying on a laptop of mine - while in sleep mode, in the middle of the night, Discord kept a laptop awake, churning hard. I heard the laptop fan whirring in the middle of the night, when it should have been silent. I determined it was #Discord, and uninstalled that motherfucker immediately. This was several years ago.
Discord, fuck you
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@linuxandyarn @Gargron It was a #linux install of #Discord in my case, just saying.
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@lutindiscret @Gargron @lefteristrip23 I beg of you: not #Matrix, for anything persisting and serious *when it comes to group chat*. Has a history of exploding chat rooms, every few years or so. Track record is not good.
#Zulip is today's much more sane choice, as a place to escape to, fleeing #Discord.
BTW: I'm willing to set up/maintain Zulip servers, *but for a price*.
@d1 @lutindiscret @Gargron @lefteristrip23 FWIW Zulip cloud offers free hosting for communities that qualify.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
@Gargron I get that Discord has a major pedophile problem, but privacy is also important.
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@Gargron I get that Discord has a major pedophile problem, but privacy is also important.
@amazing_helenab@mastodon.social This is why people should look at moving, why should our privacy be taken away just because of some countries like the UK with there Online Safety Act removing our Privacy for data collecting hidden as protecting children
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@Gargron Edit: I didn't realize that Zulip is Open-Source. So, corporate, maybe, but not closed source.
Original Toot :
Isn't there a non-corporate solution?
There's more than a little unfortunate irony in the Mastodon team jumping ship from Discord to another corporate provider that just hasn't entered its enshitification phase yet.
@apLundell does corporate mean the project is controlled by a company
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
@Gargron I only have Discord accounts bc starting in 2020 seniors in my youth group used one to host engagement during lock down. Six years later they are off to college or work and those who came after have not mentioned Discord at all. So is seems Discord is (fill in the blank) for old people anyway.
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@mischa it uses jitsi by default
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
@Gargron Discord is just the canary in the coal mine. Soon, all Internet communities will face a choice - either ID everyone or be banned in many countries. Internet anonymity is dead. All because of a couple of despotic regimes that want to be the parents of our children and want to have full control and surveillance over communities that might have "subversive" (i.e., antigovernmental) thoughts. Sometimes I'm glad that I won't live long enough to see it accomplished...
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
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@kerfuffle @Gargron Good question - and if the latter, how easy is it to export everything to a sovereign solution down the line?
@csolisr
I have not done this myself, but here are docs
https://zulip.com/help/cloud-to-self-hosting
@Gargron @kerfuffle -
I don't understand why all centralized services suddenly insist on actually verifying their users' age for real. What was wrong with asking for a birth date or even just presenting a "yes I'm 18 or older" button? NSFW websites somehow still do just fine with that, but Discord, which is much less "risky" in comparison, somehow needs real verification?
Gosh I miss the old internet.
@grishka@friends.grishka.me @Gargron@mastodon.social It all started with the UK's Online Safety Act, where we now ID for porn sites, the UK Gov has since pushed for IDing on these platforms and it's being pushed out worldwide as it's not cost effective for just one country.
It's stupid and is one of the reasons I'm finding alternatives for friends -
@Gargron yeah, gonna be tricky to move those. especially with how convenient to use the voice channels are.
@noodlejetski @Gargron this is relevant to add here, WRT "QOS rules":
Owl Eyes (@d1@autistics.life)
@Lockdownyourlife@infosec.exchange No matter what alternative video conferencing solution you pick, alas, it will live and die by how well the network routers that you traverse, treat your traffic fairly - governed by the invisible, so-called "QOS rules". "QOS" is short for "Quality Of Service", and is a technical term that Professional Network Administrators know. *Governments who don't favor "network neutrality" will almost certainly have these QOS rules skewed to the favor of the tech bros, who can afford to hire lobbyists - unlike people like you.* Unfavorable QOS rules will silently tackle down your praiseworthy efforts and unfortunately make you look bad, because you picked a solution which ultimately "didn't work" *through no fault of your own*. Whomever tries alternatives like #Jitsi, #XMPP, etc: you'll likely get silently tripped up on/mired by QOS rules when talking to *some* of your contacts. Even though I don't praise or advocate the Zooms of the world - that's where you'll likely be limping back to, unfortunately. Having said all this, I'd suggest giving #Signal video chats a cautious try. It might work for *smallish* numbers of people having group video chats. #infosec
Autistics Life Community (autistics.life)
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@darwinwoodka @grishka @Gargron I'm with you in spirit here, but I seriously doubt this, considering the actual teens I know, and how "path of least resistance" they are. Alas, no #ElbowsUp for these heel-dragging #Canadian teens I know! I'll believe it when I see it.
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@kerfuffle @Gargron Good question - and if the latter, how easy is it to export everything to a sovereign solution down the line?
@csolisr @Gargron @kerfuffle a highly relevant question
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@grishka@friends.grishka.me @Gargron@mastodon.social It all started with the UK's Online Safety Act, where we now ID for porn sites, the UK Gov has since pushed for IDing on these platforms and it's being pushed out worldwide as it's not cost effective for just one country.
It's stupid and is one of the reasons I'm finding alternatives for friendsSam, so what happens if a porn site doesn't have any presence (e.g. a legal entity) in the UK, but doesn't ask for IDs either?
