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  • F freshparsnip@lemmy.ca

    After this nightmare is over, the Untied States need a complete overhaul

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    kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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    A complete overhaul is the prerequisite for this nightmare to be over.

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    • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

      A country != the population, especially under dictatorship

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      rozodru
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      I don’t agree. They elected this fool AGAIN, I don’t care for the American people as a whole at this point. They’re also very unlikely to stand up and protect Transgender people who now, quite literally, have a target on their backs.

      Fuck em. I’ll never trust an american again.

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      • B billwashere

        Oh I know, I don’t blame you in the least. I’m losing trust in my fellow Americans. The whole process was just a major fustercluck. I woke up the morning after with a serious case of dread of what was about to happen. The apathy in this country is a major issue no doubt. I’m hopeful that as shit gets worse and worse, the apathy goes away. If it doesn’t, then Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook and less a work of fiction.

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        kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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        Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook

        It already is.

        Project 2025 intentionally leads to Gilead.

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        • B burntwits@sh.itjust.works

          I never understood this stereotype (aboot vs about). I’m Canadian, lived here all my life, my family is all Canadian and all have lived here all their lives. I’ve got family all across the country, from the western coast of BC to the eastern coast of Newfoundland, from the northern stretches of Nunavut to the most southern tip of Ontario, and very rarely have I ever heard it pronounced that way. It’s actually really funny as a Canadian to look up “how to speak like a Canadian” and watch how awful most of the “tips” are. I’d recommend it.

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          kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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          Afaik, the aboot thing is a regional dialect thing in parts of Ontario.

          And, as we know, Toronto represents all Canadians… (or at least thinks they do)

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          • C cheesus@lemmy.ca

            Same, never heard ‘aboot’ in my life. However, I do tend to say ‘-eh’ all the time, especially at the end of sentences as emphasis.

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            burntwits@sh.itjust.works
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            I definitely use “eh” a lot, that stereotype is pretty accurate, though I feel like a lot of Americans don’t quite understand the usage of the word.

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            • R rumba@lemmy.zip

              It’s exaggerated.

              I watch a lot of Canadian Youtube, it’s totally a mix.

              80% of the time it’s identical to US about

              19% of the time it’s aboawt.

              1% of the time it’s totally a-boot.

              With a US English ear, it’s jarring. (not in a bad way) but we totally notice it.

              Not eveyone does it. Linus from Linus tech tips drops one every few shows, but then Electro Boom never does. Bobsdecline does it a little less often.

              It’s kind of like the US and Brittish people saying Idear instead of idea. it happens once in a while

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              kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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              I think Linus does it as a meme, more than as part of his natural speech.

              And Bobsdecline is from the opposite coast.

              The aboot thing is mostly a southern Ontario thing, but since that is where a lot of traditional media comes from, it is the most commonly exported Canadian regional accent.

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                slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works
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                I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.

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                • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                  its more like “a-boat”. I’ve never even been to Canada, but I can often spot a Canadian on TV within moments based on how they speak.

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                  burntwits@sh.itjust.works
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                  How does an American pronounce it?

                  A vast majority of the Canadians I know pronounce it the same way as “out”, “sprout”, “trout” etc.

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                  • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                    Afaik, the aboot thing is a regional dialect thing in parts of Ontario.

                    And, as we know, Toronto represents all Canadians… (or at least thinks they do)

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                    burntwits@sh.itjust.works
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                    Let’s hope the new “Toronto man” accent doesn’t come to represent all of Canada in the coming years.

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                    • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

                      A country != the population, especially under dictatorship

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                      lefantome@programming.dev
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                      #65

                      The United States population democratically elected Donald Trump less than a year ago. Only 30% opposed his election.

                      At best, you are arguing that 70% of a population does not equal a population.

                      But let’s move beyond the election.

                      The US is not yet a dictatorship. That said, the administration is pushing it closer to that point every day. The population still has the power to stop that. What are they doing wield that power? Not much.

                      I am afraid we disagree strongly on how accountable we need to hold “the population”. They are at best complicit and at worst collaborators. Either way, they should not be defended.

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                      • B billwashere

                        Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

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                        lefantome@programming.dev
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                        #66

                        Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

                        Did I miss the violent military coup?

                        I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.

                        Are you suggesting we trust those guys?

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                        • B billwashere

                          Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

                          So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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                          lefantome@programming.dev
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                          only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags

                          So what you are saying is that the overwhelming majority of you participated in the election of Donald Trump.

                          Got it.

                          What was your other point again?

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                          • B burntwits@sh.itjust.works

                            I never understood this stereotype (aboot vs about). I’m Canadian, lived here all my life, my family is all Canadian and all have lived here all their lives. I’ve got family all across the country, from the western coast of BC to the eastern coast of Newfoundland, from the northern stretches of Nunavut to the most southern tip of Ontario, and very rarely have I ever heard it pronounced that way. It’s actually really funny as a Canadian to look up “how to speak like a Canadian” and watch how awful most of the “tips” are. I’d recommend it.

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                            LustyArgonian
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                            It’s because everyone’s accents have gotten less distinct/strong due to TV. I know people from the US south with barely an accent because of this.

                            Also, some of the accent stereotype comes from your own movie productions, especially older ones when the accents were more like that:

                            Granted they are playing this up for their characters

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                            • B billwashere

                              Right now, they are a danger for more than just Canadians.

                              I’m not trying to be an apologist. I’m just saying most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist. But some of us definitely are.

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                              lefantome@programming.dev
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                              #69

                              Look, you may be a wonderful person. I know very little about you individually.

                              But, by your own numbers, the best we can say about almost 3/4 of Americans is that they are complicit in what is happening. The last election proved that they are at least “ok” with a second Trump administration even after everything that was said and done before election day.

                              Given that, I hope you can understand why the rest of the world needs to take a different view than “most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist”.

                              Your own evidence (that you presented) does not support your conclusion.

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                              • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

                                I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.

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                                beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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                                Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right…https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools

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                                  It’s because everyone’s accents have gotten less distinct/strong due to TV. I know people from the US south with barely an accent because of this.

                                  Also, some of the accent stereotype comes from your own movie productions, especially older ones when the accents were more like that:

                                  Granted they are playing this up for their characters

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                                  burntwits@sh.itjust.works
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                                  I absolutely love Bob and Doug McKenzie but they’re definitely not representative of the average Canadian. Like you said, they’re playing it up for their characters. They play an exaggerated stereotype of a dim-witted drunken Canadian. They’re kind of like Canadian Homer Simpsons in a way. A great comedy duo, truly one of the best, but most Canadians don’t sound like that.

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                                  • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                                    I think Linus does it as a meme, more than as part of his natural speech.

                                    And Bobsdecline is from the opposite coast.

                                    The aboot thing is mostly a southern Ontario thing, but since that is where a lot of traditional media comes from, it is the most commonly exported Canadian regional accent.

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                                    rumba@lemmy.zip
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                                    Linus might be meaming it, but I have heard others say it. The aboat version of it is even common across the northern border in central US.

                                    I also just ran across a video of two Canadian English teachers talking about it, but they too were almost in the aboat class.

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                                      backyardincendiary@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                      What the hell’s wrong with 4 in 10 Canadians?

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                                      • L lefantome@programming.dev

                                        Look, you may be a wonderful person. I know very little about you individually.

                                        But, by your own numbers, the best we can say about almost 3/4 of Americans is that they are complicit in what is happening. The last election proved that they are at least “ok” with a second Trump administration even after everything that was said and done before election day.

                                        Given that, I hope you can understand why the rest of the world needs to take a different view than “most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist”.

                                        Your own evidence (that you presented) does not support your conclusion.

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                                        billwashere
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                                        My only conclusion is that the pain numbers haven’t reached a point that requires action. Most people can’t see the forest for the trees and are painfully oblivious to what is going on because of whatever reason. Stupidity, willfully ignorance, it’s hurting the”right” people more, etc.

                                        And by “my numbers” it’s more like 50%-60%. I just want you to understand that just because the government is doing it, doesn’t mean a plurality of the citizens feel the same way. Hell even some of the most ardent GOPers are starting to balk at the shit that’s happening.

                                        Now, with that said, I would not come to the US as a foreigner for any reason right now whatsoever. It’s just not worth it.

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                                        • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                                          Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook

                                          It already is.

                                          Project 2025 intentionally leads to Gilead.

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                                          billwashere
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                                          We are definitely in the first few chapters.

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