Discord keeps walking into rakes, but TeamSpeak is thriving after 'incredible surge of new users'
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This is the history they warned us not to repeat!
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This is actually a good point for fluxer. Stoat being UK based isn’t great, I’ll agree with that and it’s something I didn’t even think about until now.
Maybe fluxer being based in sweden (I think) is better? On the surface, I think it is but my knowledge of swedish privacy laws is pretty surface level.
That said, fluxer asks for a date of birth when signing up and also has like pricing tiers and stuff which instantly gives me the ick. Stoat is just like “name and email please” and you’re done lol
The paid tiers are only to support the development and the official server costs. If you self-host you can do whatever you want. And federation is on the roadmap of the project.
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What issues? I can’t even remember the last time I used TeamSpeak. Ha to be around Windows XP.
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Teamspeak is not a good replacement lol
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Using Stoat’s main server raises a privacy concern because it’s UK-based and AFAIK lacks E2EE—UK authorities could seize server data without our knowledge. That effectively means private use requires self-hosting.
Issue with self-hosting Stoat is, it’s currently more complicated than Matrix. This user created a detailed GitHub guide that documents their research and pitfalls for getting Stoat working with voice/video: https://github.com/javif89/stoat-selfhost
The official self-hosted guide (https://github.com/stoatchat/self-hosted) looks simple at first, but if you look at the compose file, it requires FOURTEEN containers to run and doesn’t yet include voice/video support which will increase complexity.
By contrast, TeamSpeak’s self-hosting appeal is its simplicity: only two services (or one with SQLite) and it works out of the box today.
But I agree — moving from one closed-source silo to another isn’t ideal. I just wish Stoat were easier to run behind the scenes.
For me, a combination of matrix for text chat and mumble for voice is the simplest and most privacy respecting way to self-host a discord alternative.
Using Stoat’s main server raises a privacy concern because it’s UK-based and AFAIK lacks E2EE—UK authorities could seize server data without our knowledge.
When the alternative is Discord that’s no different. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
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I think Iambalicious may be confusing terms. AFAIK no XMPP client has discord-like rooms within channels. The Movim client is actively working on implementing that feature (it can also do group video calls and screen sharing), but it’s the only one doing that unless I’m mistaken.
Thanks! Yeah because I’ve been scratching my head over their comment for some time now as I’m not able to figure out how to use it like I used use Discord.
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I don’t know what they’re even doing. TeamSpeak/Mumble is not a replacement for Discord. There’s no separate text channels in addition to the voice ones. It’s just a VOIP program. If you move from Discord to one of those you’re either in addition fundamentally changing your way of thinking or you’re in for disappointment.
For one there’s no “public communities” as with Discord. Here are the biggest servers from mumist.eu:
Discord was originally a replacement for teamspeak/mumble and it’s how most people I actually know still use it. It was “nice” because you didn’t need to set up your own server. Using it as a replacement for irc came later. Image support in chats is nice, but I really only use it for the voip chat rooms.
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I’m unsure what is difficult about Matrix.
I’ve had several “casual” friends register and join my space on their own.
I think I locked myself out of my account. I’m only logged in on my old computer and I’ve deleted the app from my phone. I saved my security key (I have a session security key field and
security-key.txtin my 1password) but Element didn’t seem able to use it to reactivate. I would lose all my chats. Which wouldn’t be the end of the world, but still, I’m just demonstrating that I’m tech savvy enough to save things I’m told to save but I either missed saving a recovery key, wasn’t told to, or the process is just lacking. Regardless, like I said, I’m just demonstrating that it can be tricky. -
XMPP can actually do everything, chat, group video calls, and even screen sharing with the Movim client. It’s a one-stop shop.
Can it do drop in/drop out VoIP rooms like mumble?
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VENT or nothing!
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VENT or nothing!
I said that the other day and I got back “noone is going to use that windows XP lookin shit.”
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Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.
Yes, those are certainly a convenience that would be nice to have.
I just don’t think they’re “Be subjected to Discord” nice anymore.
I’ll take on the burden of launching two executables and clicking two different windows in order to not be subjected to the endless monetization and privacy violations.
Not everyone agrees, that that’s fine too. Using Discord (or Signal if your group is small and care more about privacy than open source) isn’t wrong, but some people see the downsides as outweighing the benefits.
“not everyone agrees” explains the nail in the coffin for 99% of groups.
You need a 100% investment from the group or it’s a hard stop.
Your average online group or gamer give zero fucks as long as it works.
For online gaming, that means voice, messaging, and forums in ONE click. You might get away without video.
For gaming, the current steps are …
1 download discord (99% skip because they already have)
2 paste this link into discord (which they already know how to do)
DONE
You proposal? Just list them out for me for your non tech user… Download 3 different programs? Including separate sign on? learn three different programs.
AND NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR GROUP.
Play 6 games, sorry each game has their own set of programs and logins and learning. And remembering which program you need to use for each.
If you think that’s a workable “solution” to replacing discord, which is currently used for 95% of online gaming in a one stop shop…
Your a fucking delusional idiot. And that’s being nice you.
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“not everyone agrees” explains the nail in the coffin for 99% of groups.
You need a 100% investment from the group or it’s a hard stop.
Your average online group or gamer give zero fucks as long as it works.
For online gaming, that means voice, messaging, and forums in ONE click. You might get away without video.
For gaming, the current steps are …
1 download discord (99% skip because they already have)
2 paste this link into discord (which they already know how to do)
DONE
You proposal? Just list them out for me for your non tech user… Download 3 different programs? Including separate sign on? learn three different programs.
AND NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR GROUP.
Play 6 games, sorry each game has their own set of programs and logins and learning. And remembering which program you need to use for each.
If you think that’s a workable “solution” to replacing discord, which is currently used for 95% of online gaming in a one stop shop…
Your a fucking delusional idiot. And that’s being nice you.
The topic of the thread is about users migrating away from Discord due to privacy concerns over their ID requirements. If this doesn’t apply to you, what is your purpose commenting? To tell us all that the thing in the OP isn’t actually happening?
Your position is that:
- this can’t happen,
- people can’t leave discord because people are on discord,
- it’s impossible to learn 3 applications,
Therefore nobody would replace Discord with Teamspeak and also use some other chat program (that’s 2 programs! which is nearly as impossible as learning 3 programs!).
You’re posting this opinion in a thread about users migrating to TeamSpeak and calling me the idiot?
That’s certainly an opinion.
Your a fucking delusional idiot.
‘Your’ is the possessive form of you.
You’re is the word you’re looking for, as it is a contraction of ‘you are’ as in ‘you are an idiot’.
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why go from one corporate property to another when enshitification is the problem and libre options are available??
tomorrow’s headline: “Teamspeak CEO excited to be working with Discord”
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I think Iambalicious may be confusing terms. AFAIK no XMPP client has discord-like rooms within channels. The Movim client is actively working on implementing that feature (it can also do group video calls and screen sharing), but it’s the only one doing that unless I’m mistaken.
Oh you mean nested rooms? That’s just normal rooms with a different organization. I think there is one XMPP proposal for them but I don’t know of any server that implements it (they are unneeded since you can just create temporary chatrooms, same as in IRC) and then you need client support, of which apparently only Movim and Dino are working on it yeah.
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Can it do drop in/drop out VoIP rooms like mumble?
Not yet, unfortunately. It can currently do a group conference audio/video call, but there are no rooms where you can see who’s in the call and just hop in. That is a planned feature in the future, though. Probably after Discord-like rooms are implemented (which won a recent feature poll).
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Oh you mean nested rooms? That’s just normal rooms with a different organization. I think there is one XMPP proposal for them but I don’t know of any server that implements it (they are unneeded since you can just create temporary chatrooms, same as in IRC) and then you need client support, of which apparently only Movim and Dino are working on it yeah.
There’s a bit more to it than just their visual organization. In Discord, a user only needs to join a single community to access all of that community’s rooms (they don’t have to manually join each one to have it in their feed).
The admins of that community can then seamlessly create or delete rooms within that community (the users don’t need to do anything for those changes to be seen and applied on their end), and can independently adjust what the base requirements are to view, enter, or interact with each room, and then give an individual granular permissions of what rooms are visible within that community.
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We’re setting up our own Matrix/Element CE and mulling over the non-technical folks’ fumbling trying to figure it out. Going to have to test a lot. Stoat is promising since it has a familiar UI, but we have a large amount of mobile-only friends.
Not even looking at the non-free stuff. This is the shove we needed to finally move off that type of crap.
Forgot about XMPP until reading earlier comments. Will have to put that on the list.
XMPP is an insecure mess, even if you try to bolt on the weird encryption layer
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There’s a bit more to it than just their visual organization. In Discord, a user only needs to join a single community to access all of that community’s rooms (they don’t have to manually join each one to have it in their feed).
The admins of that community can then seamlessly create or delete rooms within that community (the users don’t need to do anything for those changes to be seen and applied on their end), and can independently adjust what the base requirements are to view, enter, or interact with each room, and then give an individual granular permissions of what rooms are visible within that community.
Oh yeah that already exists in XMPP, it’s called “Server spaces” and grouping can be done by admin or by room owners, but it’s experimental so there’s no direct way to know what servers or clients are using it or not.
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Oh yeah that already exists in XMPP, it’s called “Server spaces” and grouping can be done by admin or by room owners, but it’s experimental so there’s no direct way to know what servers or clients are using it or not.
Interesting, glad to see it’s headed in that direction in the base-spec!
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