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Steam’s new language-specific review scores highlight Japanese players’ tendency to leave only negative reviews. Gamers fear this might affect Japanese language support for future releases

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  • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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    jet@hackertalks.com
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    #5

    Yeah if things are fine and I bought the game I don’t leave a review. Only if it’s exceptionally good, or I feel I need to warn others do I take the time to review.

    Basically if I bought a game and put more then 5 hours into it and didn’t have anything to say, that is my positive appreciation signal

    I’ve got 2000 hours in Factorio and haven’t left a review on steam…

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      Why would any non-japanese gamers fear this? As for the Japanese ones, sounds like it’s on them to stop being bad eggs?

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        Well maybe they should start leaving as many positive ones a negative then? Idk, theres solutions to this without getting rid of the feature and without getting rid of Japanese support.

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        inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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        Just change the entire culture, that’s easy enough.

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          kugmo@sh.itjust.works
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          New Japanese releases have also got negative reviews on Amazon since the beginning of time, this is a nothingburger article.

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          • J jet@hackertalks.com

            Yeah if things are fine and I bought the game I don’t leave a review. Only if it’s exceptionally good, or I feel I need to warn others do I take the time to review.

            Basically if I bought a game and put more then 5 hours into it and didn’t have anything to say, that is my positive appreciation signal

            I’ve got 2000 hours in Factorio and haven’t left a review on steam…

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            neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I agree with you, I typically only leave a review when something is terrible as a warning.

            I’ve never left a review for stardew valley and I have around 500hrs or so.

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            • A AwesomeLowlander

              Why would any non-japanese gamers fear this? As for the Japanese ones, sounds like it’s on them to stop being bad eggs?

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              guyincognito
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              Or it’s possibly a part of their culture to warn others to avoid bad investments? I’m not Japanese though so what do I know.

              I’d say it’s not on the Japanese to change their ways, but on the developers to not put out products that merit that kind of feedback.

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              • guyincognitoK guyincognito

                Or it’s possibly a part of their culture to warn others to avoid bad investments? I’m not Japanese though so what do I know.

                I’d say it’s not on the Japanese to change their ways, but on the developers to not put out products that merit that kind of feedback.

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                AwesomeLowlander
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                Or it’s possibly a part of their culture to warn others to avoid bad investments

                We all of us do that, it’s not just them.

                the developers to not put out products that merit that kind of feedback

                You’re seriously suggesting that games should be released in a condition that they’ll never, ever, receive a negative review? Have you SEEN steam reviews and the sort of nonsense reasons that sometimes get left?

                The problem is not that they’re leaving negative reviews, it’s that they’re not leaving any positive ones to counter that. In that case, why would any game developer wish to court the tiny Japanese market if they’re going to tank the game’s review scores?

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                • kugmo@sh.itjust.worksK kugmo@sh.itjust.works

                  New Japanese releases have also got negative reviews on Amazon since the beginning of time, this is a nothingburger article.

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                  反いじめ戦隊
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                  Came here to post exactly this. This is just Active Gaming Media Inc. wary their localization business will go kaput.

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                  • A AwesomeLowlander

                    Or it’s possibly a part of their culture to warn others to avoid bad investments

                    We all of us do that, it’s not just them.

                    the developers to not put out products that merit that kind of feedback

                    You’re seriously suggesting that games should be released in a condition that they’ll never, ever, receive a negative review? Have you SEEN steam reviews and the sort of nonsense reasons that sometimes get left?

                    The problem is not that they’re leaving negative reviews, it’s that they’re not leaving any positive ones to counter that. In that case, why would any game developer wish to court the tiny Japanese market if they’re going to tank the game’s review scores?

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                    guyincognito
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                    Maybe they need to take up the challenge of making a game that doesn’t cause people to warn others about it? I dunno. People are always gonna people (be shitty) and that’s something thin skinned companies need to get over, and quick. The Japanese made the games industry the powerhouse it is today. How many Japanese game mascots can you name? How many Western ones? To stop catering to that market because of a slee of bad reviews is just pathetic. Why a game developer needs to be encouraged to make a good product, instead of just buttoning down and doing their job of making a quality game to start with, send silly to me. Do I need my boss to praise me to do my job? No. But I sure as shit will hear about it if I’m not doing my job well.

                    I don’t know how old your are, but I grew up playing Japanese games and I extremely rarely had a complaint about them other than the occasional difficulty spike, though I still finished them. Nowadays, I feel like I stop playing games and don’t care about finishing them about 25% of the time. It’s because they’re crap and I wish I had read more of the reviews first.

                    I’ve made the decision to never buy new games anymore because I’m too often disappointed. I hope the Japanese, and other gamers too, create enough aggregate reviews to help me enjoy the games I purchase.

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                    • guyincognitoK guyincognito

                      Maybe they need to take up the challenge of making a game that doesn’t cause people to warn others about it? I dunno. People are always gonna people (be shitty) and that’s something thin skinned companies need to get over, and quick. The Japanese made the games industry the powerhouse it is today. How many Japanese game mascots can you name? How many Western ones? To stop catering to that market because of a slee of bad reviews is just pathetic. Why a game developer needs to be encouraged to make a good product, instead of just buttoning down and doing their job of making a quality game to start with, send silly to me. Do I need my boss to praise me to do my job? No. But I sure as shit will hear about it if I’m not doing my job well.

                      I don’t know how old your are, but I grew up playing Japanese games and I extremely rarely had a complaint about them other than the occasional difficulty spike, though I still finished them. Nowadays, I feel like I stop playing games and don’t care about finishing them about 25% of the time. It’s because they’re crap and I wish I had read more of the reviews first.

                      I’ve made the decision to never buy new games anymore because I’m too often disappointed. I hope the Japanese, and other gamers too, create enough aggregate reviews to help me enjoy the games I purchase.

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                      AwesomeLowlander
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                      This isn’t about Japanese games or devs. It’s about Japanese GAMERS.

                      People are always gonna people (be shitty) and that’s something thin skinned companies need to get over, and quick

                      Answer me this: Given the situation described in the article, WHY would any dev, indie or ‘AAA’, want to get into the Japanese market?

                      I’ve made the decision to never buy new games anymore because I’m too often disappointed. I hope the Japanese, and other gamers too, create enough aggregate reviews to help me enjoy the games I purchase.

                      Unfortunately, if you were relying on the Jap gamers, all you’d get is the number of negative reviews each game has as an indicator of popularity, since they aren’t leaving any positive.

                      Why is it so difficult to understand that the behaviour of the Jap consumers are breaking the review system as it stands? It doesn’t matter how great your game is, if there’s 0 chance for positive reviews.

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                      • A AwesomeLowlander

                        This isn’t about Japanese games or devs. It’s about Japanese GAMERS.

                        People are always gonna people (be shitty) and that’s something thin skinned companies need to get over, and quick

                        Answer me this: Given the situation described in the article, WHY would any dev, indie or ‘AAA’, want to get into the Japanese market?

                        I’ve made the decision to never buy new games anymore because I’m too often disappointed. I hope the Japanese, and other gamers too, create enough aggregate reviews to help me enjoy the games I purchase.

                        Unfortunately, if you were relying on the Jap gamers, all you’d get is the number of negative reviews each game has as an indicator of popularity, since they aren’t leaving any positive.

                        Why is it so difficult to understand that the behaviour of the Jap consumers are breaking the review system as it stands? It doesn’t matter how great your game is, if there’s 0 chance for positive reviews.

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                        Why would a developer want to get into the Japanese market? Simple really. Cold hard cash. It’s why we have anything really. Including games.

                        I don’t know what planet you’re pretending to live on but here on earth there’s a pretty simple rule to understand about news. It’s that no news is good news, and bad news is news. Seriously. Open up any news source. Unless something is fucking stellar it won’t be reported on. Why anyone needs flowery words to do their job to earn money sounds silly to me.

                        If you read the article above it goes on to say that most of the bad reviews were justified in their criticisms.

                        But I’ll offer a suggestion to fix the problem of these butthurt developers. Petition Steam, or other review sites, to change the way scores are done. Change them to a percentage of players who played who gave poor reviews, instead of a percentage of the reviews. Boom, problem solved. Now instead of 20% of the reviews being bad, it’s 2% of the players. 98% don’t think it sucked, so it must be good.

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                        • guyincognitoK guyincognito

                          Why would a developer want to get into the Japanese market? Simple really. Cold hard cash. It’s why we have anything really. Including games.

                          I don’t know what planet you’re pretending to live on but here on earth there’s a pretty simple rule to understand about news. It’s that no news is good news, and bad news is news. Seriously. Open up any news source. Unless something is fucking stellar it won’t be reported on. Why anyone needs flowery words to do their job to earn money sounds silly to me.

                          If you read the article above it goes on to say that most of the bad reviews were justified in their criticisms.

                          But I’ll offer a suggestion to fix the problem of these butthurt developers. Petition Steam, or other review sites, to change the way scores are done. Change them to a percentage of players who played who gave poor reviews, instead of a percentage of the reviews. Boom, problem solved. Now instead of 20% of the reviews being bad, it’s 2% of the players. 98% don’t think it sucked, so it must be good.

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                          AwesomeLowlander
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                          Why would a developer want to get into the Japanese market? Simple really. Cold hard cash. It’s why we have anything really. Including games.

                          So, if a dev were to decide not to localise for the Japanese market, they’ve made the decision it’s not worth the cash. In that case, what’s your problem with said decision?

                          Did you also read the rest of the article, where it mentions that this is becoming a problem for Japanese devs? And even the jap players understand this is a problem that needs to change?

                          It’s that no news is good news, and bad news is news. Seriously. Open up any news source. Unless something is fucking stellar it won’t be reported on. Why anyone needs flowery words to do their job to earn money sounds silly to me.

                          When did reviews become ‘news’.

                          But I’ll offer a suggestion to fix the problem of these butthurt developers. Petition Steam, or other review sites, to change the way scores are done.

                          As I noted in my previous comment, yes something in the system needs to change. It can be from any of the parties involved. The platform, the devs, or the gamers. I don’t really care which, since it doesn’t affect me. Though if we were petitioning steam, it’d be nice if they could add a frigging neutral option to reviews.

                          butthurt developers.

                          Based on everything in the article, everybody seems to be reacting very calmly. You’re the most butthurt person so far.

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                            This is the first I’ve heard of this reviewing trend.

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                              Why would a developer want to get into the Japanese market? Simple really. Cold hard cash. It’s why we have anything really. Including games.

                              So, if a dev were to decide not to localise for the Japanese market, they’ve made the decision it’s not worth the cash. In that case, what’s your problem with said decision?

                              Did you also read the rest of the article, where it mentions that this is becoming a problem for Japanese devs? And even the jap players understand this is a problem that needs to change?

                              It’s that no news is good news, and bad news is news. Seriously. Open up any news source. Unless something is fucking stellar it won’t be reported on. Why anyone needs flowery words to do their job to earn money sounds silly to me.

                              When did reviews become ‘news’.

                              But I’ll offer a suggestion to fix the problem of these butthurt developers. Petition Steam, or other review sites, to change the way scores are done.

                              As I noted in my previous comment, yes something in the system needs to change. It can be from any of the parties involved. The platform, the devs, or the gamers. I don’t really care which, since it doesn’t affect me. Though if we were petitioning steam, it’d be nice if they could add a frigging neutral option to reviews.

                              butthurt developers.

                              Based on everything in the article, everybody seems to be reacting very calmly. You’re the most butthurt person so far.

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                              guyincognito
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                              This will be my last reply to you because it’s tiring having to educate people on how the world works.

                              So, if a dev were to decide not to localise for the Japanese market, they’ve made the decision it’s not worth the cash. In that case, what’s your problem with said decision?

                              Yeah that’s their choice. But if they’re doing it solely because of the risk of a bad review, that’s just pathetic. Which was my point and your seemed to miss that.

                              When did reviews become ‘news’.

                              That’s all a review is. Someone’s news about the game. Ie reporting. Reporters report news.

                              As I noted in my previous comment, yes something in the system needs to change. It can be from any of the parties involved. The platform, the devs, or the gamers. I don’t really care which, since it doesn’t affect me.

                              Another person crying about a problem yet offering zero realistic feedback on fixing it, suggesting even that an entire culture change so game devs aren’t afraid of reviews. No. The only thing that needs to change is how the reviews are done, and that is Steam’s, or whatever other service’s, problem to fix. Or you know, people could find a reliable reviews source from outside Stream and go by that. God forbid people do research that involves five clicks before spending their hard earned money.

                              Based on everything in the article, everybody seems to be reacting very calmly.

                              By reacting very calmly do you mean pulling completely out of a game market by no longer localizing games or running betas there? Yeah, super chill reaction. Totally rational to just ignore so many people without spending a day brainstorming solutions and actually following through with implemented changes that address the problem.

                              You’re the most butthurt person so far.

                              Yes. It sucks to take it upon yourself to educate people on the workings of the world. I wish I didn’t care that people were idiots, but unfortunately for me I do as I have to share earth with them. And it hurts me so. In the butt. Other places too, but the pain in my ass is the worst.

                              Grow up before you melt, snowflake.

                              Guyincognito, out.

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                                This is the first I’ve heard of this reviewing trend.

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                                cikos@lemmy.world
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                                if you look at japanese restaurants in google maps, most of them are rated at 3 stars. japanese never give 5 stars at most its 4, and they will give lower for even the slightest inconveniences. if you see 4 stars above then that means there’s a lot of tourists frequent there.

                                source, i’ve been there twice and was dumbfounded

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                                • C cikos@lemmy.world

                                  if you look at japanese restaurants in google maps, most of them are rated at 3 stars. japanese never give 5 stars at most its 4, and they will give lower for even the slightest inconveniences. if you see 4 stars above then that means there’s a lot of tourists frequent there.

                                  source, i’ve been there twice and was dumbfounded

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                                  Very weird, I had no idea about this! I guess I’ll keep it in mind if I ever find myself in Japan!

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                                  • J jet@hackertalks.com

                                    Yeah if things are fine and I bought the game I don’t leave a review. Only if it’s exceptionally good, or I feel I need to warn others do I take the time to review.

                                    Basically if I bought a game and put more then 5 hours into it and didn’t have anything to say, that is my positive appreciation signal

                                    I’ve got 2000 hours in Factorio and haven’t left a review on steam…

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                                    slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
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                                    You don’t leave a le funny review on every game? No cake recipe or a picture of a cat? Are you even a real gamer?

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                                      if you look at japanese restaurants in google maps, most of them are rated at 3 stars. japanese never give 5 stars at most its 4, and they will give lower for even the slightest inconveniences. if you see 4 stars above then that means there’s a lot of tourists frequent there.

                                      source, i’ve been there twice and was dumbfounded

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                                      geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      This is the same culture that will absolutely not speak out or ask for a change in ingredients for fear of dishonouring the chef and the staff.

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                                      • S slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org

                                        You don’t leave a le funny review on every game? No cake recipe or a picture of a cat? Are you even a real gamer?

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                                        jet@hackertalks.com
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                                        I’m not a real gamer, just an adult with disposable income and thousands of hours playing games, at least as far as steam tells me… so maybe I’m a problem gamer?

                                        I have no idea about the whole steam point system, i totally ignore it… i just buy games on deep discounts… so while I have 6000 hours of play time, I have a backlog of games with 20,000 hours of possible play time, and I will die with steam games I’ve paid real actual money for that I have never, ever, ever played.

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                                          if you look at japanese restaurants in google maps, most of them are rated at 3 stars. japanese never give 5 stars at most its 4, and they will give lower for even the slightest inconveniences. if you see 4 stars above then that means there’s a lot of tourists frequent there.

                                          source, i’ve been there twice and was dumbfounded

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                                          This suspiciously sounds like the youtuber “JapanEats”.
                                          It’s almost like a quote.

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