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The Earth is reflecting less and less sunlight, study reveals

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    archonet@lemy.lol
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    at this point I’m fully expecting the only thing that keeps us from extincting ourselves with global warming is almost extincting ourselves with nuclear winter.

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    • A archonet@lemy.lol

      at this point I’m fully expecting the only thing that keeps us from extincting ourselves with global warming is almost extincting ourselves with nuclear winter.

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      cm0002@sh.itjust.works
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      See we got this! We’re just going to get rid of mice climate change with a snake nuclear winter!

      They’ll just cancel each other out perfectly 😌

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        See we got this! We’re just going to get rid of mice climate change with a snake nuclear winter!

        They’ll just cancel each other out perfectly 😌

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        archonet@lemy.lol
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        I don’t wish for this to happen, mind you, but we are clearly living in the dumbest possible timeline, and so it is the only solution that makes sense

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        • C cm0002@sh.itjust.works

          See we got this! We’re just going to get rid of mice climate change with a snake nuclear winter!

          They’ll just cancel each other out perfectly 😌

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          baldingpudenda@lemmy.world
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          With how bad its going a summer without winter might give us another 10 years.

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          • P protist@mander.xyz

            That’s actually not clear at all. How did you draw this conclusion from what’s written here? It cites decreased pollution across the northern hemisphere as one of the drivers of this, for example, and how is that horrifying?

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            themeatbridge
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            Because absorbed light is excess energy.

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            • P protist@mander.xyz

              That’s actually not clear at all. How did you draw this conclusion from what’s written here? It cites decreased pollution across the northern hemisphere as one of the drivers of this, for example, and how is that horrifying?

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              jtotheb@lemmy.world
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              Also due to reduced water vapor and ice cover lol. It’s a conclusion that can be drawn without much reliance on the article, which focuses a lot on specific climate model improvements and not the obvious concern: given our desire for the earth to reflect more of the sun’s rays and cool off, reflecting fewer and warming up is not good

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                Because absorbed light is excess energy.

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                protist@mander.xyz
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                It’s pretty big leap from the Earth absorbing slightly more energy from the sun to “the extinction of all life on Earth.”

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                  Also due to reduced water vapor and ice cover lol. It’s a conclusion that can be drawn without much reliance on the article, which focuses a lot on specific climate model improvements and not the obvious concern: given our desire for the earth to reflect more of the sun’s rays and cool off, reflecting fewer and warming up is not good

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                  protist@mander.xyz
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                  “The extinction of all life in Earth” is not a reasonable conclusion to draw from this

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                    zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    This must be what people have meant when they say we’re headed for the Dark Ages.

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                      This must be what people have meant when they say we’re headed for the Dark Ages.

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                      altphoto@lemmy.today
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                      I assume its the opposite. It’s absorbing light as heat vs reflecting and cooling down.

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                        altphoto@lemmy.today
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                        Here’s the ad I obtained from that link…thinking what I’m thinking? Yes. Yes I am!

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                          I assume its the opposite. It’s absorbing light as heat vs reflecting and cooling down.

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                          zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          Yes, it is, I was just making a bad joke. I am actually surprised that didn’t mention that the decrease in some air pollution was also a factor. See: https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming

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                          • P protist@mander.xyz

                            That’s actually not clear at all. How did you draw this conclusion from what’s written here? It cites decreased pollution across the northern hemisphere as one of the drivers of this, for example, and how is that horrifying?

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                            leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            how is that horrifying?

                            Daisyworld.

                            Less albedo -> more heat -> ice caps melting -> less albedo and more greenhouse gases -> much more heat, and so on.

                            It’s a vicious cycle, and there doesn’t seem to be any viable solution. We could put shades between us and the sun, but that’d probably reduce light too much and kill most plants, leading to even more carbon being released.

                            We’re fucked, and probably way beyond any chance of unfucking ourselves. We let those pass by years ago.

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                              Yes, it is, I was just making a bad joke. I am actually surprised that didn’t mention that the decrease in some air pollution was also a factor. See: https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming

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                              altphoto@lemmy.today
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                              Oh. Well… Good day to you and yours 🙂

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                              • P protist@mander.xyz

                                It’s pretty big leap from the Earth absorbing slightly more energy from the sun to “the extinction of all life on Earth.”

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                                themeatbridge
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                                My friend, it really is not.

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                                • A archonet@lemy.lol

                                  at this point I’m fully expecting the only thing that keeps us from extincting ourselves with global warming is almost extincting ourselves with nuclear winter.

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                                  shalafi@lemmy.world
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                                  We’re not going extinct. FFS, we survived at least one ice age. At another point, scientists studying our DNA think we were down to as a few as a thousand individuals.

                                  Humans are the AR-15s of the animal kingdom. Not the greatest* for strength, speed, vision, etc., but excellent at multipurpose roles. Like insects, we survive in any climate outside Antarctica. We can walk endlessly. I’m 54, not in great shape, pretty sure I could spend my entire waking day walking, stopping only to eat.

                                  We’re social animals who stick together when the going gets tough. We love fucking and we can make babies every month of the year, no waiting to go in heat.

                                  No animal comes close to our dexterity and advanced tool use. Stone Age man was more adept at tool use than every other animal combined. We’re stupid reliable, smart and tough as well.

                                  * OK, we can throw and catch like nothing else on Earth.

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                                    We’re not going extinct. FFS, we survived at least one ice age. At another point, scientists studying our DNA think we were down to as a few as a thousand individuals.

                                    Humans are the AR-15s of the animal kingdom. Not the greatest* for strength, speed, vision, etc., but excellent at multipurpose roles. Like insects, we survive in any climate outside Antarctica. We can walk endlessly. I’m 54, not in great shape, pretty sure I could spend my entire waking day walking, stopping only to eat.

                                    We’re social animals who stick together when the going gets tough. We love fucking and we can make babies every month of the year, no waiting to go in heat.

                                    No animal comes close to our dexterity and advanced tool use. Stone Age man was more adept at tool use than every other animal combined. We’re stupid reliable, smart and tough as well.

                                    * OK, we can throw and catch like nothing else on Earth.

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                                    archonet@lemy.lol
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                                    global warming at this rate absolutely does have the potential to extinct us, no matter how cool we think we are. Tenacity and versatility will only carry you so far when you fuck up nature so badly that all the things you’d eat for food are themselves extinct or almost extinct. At the point we were down to a few thousand individuals, I should imagine that the climate not being super hyper mega fucked helped immensely in ensuring those people had adequate food – you aren’t going to be running down a deer (or a rabbit, or any other wild game) in the post-climate-apocalypse world if all the deer are dead because the food chain supporting the deer population collapsed. You aren’t going to be farming because extreme weather variations will make it impossible, you might be in for a drought or a monsoon and you’ll certainly not have accurate weather forecasting to go off of by that point. Foraging? I sure hope none of the various food chains and water cycles supporting the growth of forage-able food has collapsed either (they probably will). Fishing? Ocean acidity, microplastics, and global warming are all fighting to be the thing that kills that off, take your pick.

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                                    • T themeatbridge

                                      My friend, it really is not.

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                                      protist@mander.xyz
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                                      Life is incredibly resilient, a ton of life is going to survive and adapt just fine. You think marginally increased global temperatures are worse than the Chicxulub impact? It’s crazy that in the face of environmental catastrophe people can still find ways to irrationally catastrophize

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                                        captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                                        Yeah, loss of snow reduces albedo, this increases temperature reducing snow. It’s a known factor in how stable climate positions are stable.

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                                        • P protist@mander.xyz

                                          “The extinction of all life in Earth” is not a reasonable conclusion to draw from this

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                                          captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                                          Yeah, between extremophiles that will probably outlast the atmosphere and the mesozoic having been pretty balmy, life finds a way. That said, complex life is about to have a very bad time, especially specialists that can’t handle wide temperature ranges. It’s an extinction event, and our species is gonna have to really try to survive it.

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