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‘Alcohol is a poison’ that needs honest warning labels: Senator Brazeau

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  • BeBopALouieB BeBopALouie

    I am holier than thou as I never really liked the taste of beer or booze. I have not had any alcohol for over 40 years.

    I grew up with an alcoholic mother. Not violent but she was a grumpy unhappy drunk (for valid reasons). Like if I came home at night and the dog was out on the porch I knew she was toasted. Long story short she messed up ours and many others lives due to it.

    I sold cannabis for over 40 yrs to friends that I grew up with and never once saw the level of destruction that booze did to the drinker and their surrounding circle compared to cannabis.

    I agree there should be warning labels.

    What the heck, they are on pretty much everything these days anyhow.

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    Krudler
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    Well here’s the thing though (not to invalidate what you are saying about cannabis users). I’m just saying because I work in the field of addiction, and it’s a bit of a twist on the perspective

    People often have an unconscious idea that the mood altering substance drives the behavior. But it’s actually the other way around, typically the specifics of the individual’s mental health and emotional issues drive the consumption of the specific substance.

    Alcohol users, for example, have generally extreme anxiety disorders. Those arise for a variety of very valid reasons. So it’s more accurate to say people who have severe anxiety, tend to self-medicate with alcohol. And people who stick with cannabis, have other issues they are running from

    It’s just a little twist on perspective, that’s all. A lot of times we think about what alcohol does to people, but neglect to see that the problem preceeds the drinking

    I will declare my bias, even though I am a cannabis user, I think it is a substance which most people are in heavy denial about. We are currently exiting the zeitgeist of “it’s a panacea” and finally starting to embrace the fact that it’s a very dangerous substance for most users. We can overtly see for example a drunk punching a hole in the wall, but we don’t really see in the same way, a heavy cannabis user who’s becoming emotionally non-functional and can’t govern his/her own life. Or who can no longer distinguish observable reality from the thoughts in their head.

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    • K Krudler

      Hard agree. The amount of alcohol that humans can safely consume is approaching zero.

      And … The Canada Alcohol Deficit studies indicate that our current alcohol deficit is over 6 billion dollars. Meaning that after we take in taxation on alcohol, and we deal with the social, health, and criminal costs, we’re down 6B (e: the linked article below shows just under 4Bn but that’s out of date)

      Not only do we need warning labels, but we need to literally double the price of alcohol imo

      https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/reports-publications/health-promotion-chronic-disease-prevention-canada-research-policy-practice/vol-40-no-5-6-2020/alcohol-deficit-canadian-government-revenue-societal-costs.html

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      pilferjinx
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      Labels are fine but increasing the price sounds ridiculous. I don’t drink alcohol but I cook with it all the time. I don’t need an increase in my grocery bill.

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      • W wirebeads@lemmy.ca

        As someone who casually drinks I have zero issues either putting labels on alcohol.

        I also like many have switched from alcohol based drinks to non alcoholic based drinks. I like beer, but I don’t need to be drunk. I don’t need it to numb my mind or my faculties.

        I’m all for this to make it aware to everyone.

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        freebooter69@lemmy.ca
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        I wish there were more choices of non-alcohol beers, but it’s usually a choice of one shitty brand that tastes like soap or worse. There are good non-alcohol beers, but bars and pubs seem to have no interest in them.

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        • freebooter69@lemmy.caF freebooter69@lemmy.ca

          I wish there were more choices of non-alcohol beers, but it’s usually a choice of one shitty brand that tastes like soap or worse. There are good non-alcohol beers, but bars and pubs seem to have no interest in them.

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          dermanus@lemmy.ca
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          And they often cost as much as a regular beer, that’s one thing that puts me off them.

          Same with non alcohol cocktails. They’re still $15 each.

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          • cygnus@lemmy.caC cygnus@lemmy.ca

            Huh I’m surprised smoking has only declined by 25% in the lat 20 years. I’d have guessed at least 50%.

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            knexcar@lemmy.world
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            Well it feels like more people are smoking weed than they used to.

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            • P pilferjinx

              Labels are fine but increasing the price sounds ridiculous. I don’t drink alcohol but I cook with it all the time. I don’t need an increase in my grocery bill.

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              Krudler
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              #17

              Your rationale is I don’t want to pay more because I don’t want to.

              I understand, nobody does want to pay more for things, but the way taxation is structured means every bottle has a net cost to society. That’s not a justifiable or defensible position.

              And your claim that you just cook with it is highly specious.

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                It'sbetterwithbutter
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                We’ve had warning labels on cigarettes’ for ages, as a recovering alcoholic, I totally agree there should be warning labels.

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                • W wirebeads@lemmy.ca

                  As someone who casually drinks I have zero issues either putting labels on alcohol.

                  I also like many have switched from alcohol based drinks to non alcoholic based drinks. I like beer, but I don’t need to be drunk. I don’t need it to numb my mind or my faculties.

                  I’m all for this to make it aware to everyone.

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                  cheese_greater@lemmy.world
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                  What do you think about kombucha, i find it kinda itches the right spot

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                    rumba@lemmy.zip
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                    Can’t hurt

                    I think there are 0 people out there who would be surprised at that label.

                    Slightly inconvenient for booze manufacturers, like we care…

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                      Hard agree. The amount of alcohol that humans can safely consume is approaching zero.

                      And … The Canada Alcohol Deficit studies indicate that our current alcohol deficit is over 6 billion dollars. Meaning that after we take in taxation on alcohol, and we deal with the social, health, and criminal costs, we’re down 6B (e: the linked article below shows just under 4Bn but that’s out of date)

                      Not only do we need warning labels, but we need to literally double the price of alcohol imo

                      https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/reports-publications/health-promotion-chronic-disease-prevention-canada-research-policy-practice/vol-40-no-5-6-2020/alcohol-deficit-canadian-government-revenue-societal-costs.html

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                      greyeyedghost@lemmy.ca
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                      Hard agree. The amount of alcohol that humans can safely consume is approaching zero.

                      The reality hasn’t changed, only our understanding of it.

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                        not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        Just go all the way and do plain packaging and ban advertising for alcohol. Addictive poison and marketing mix about as well as a tire fire and gasoline.

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                          finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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                          I like the energy, but I’m skeptical about the implementation. When the USA tried a prohibition it failed miserably, when they put surgeon general’s warnings on boxes it hardly made a difference.

                          But I like the energy, power to him.

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                            Can’t hurt

                            I think there are 0 people out there who would be surprised at that label.

                            Slightly inconvenient for booze manufacturers, like we care…

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                            ohshitson@lemmy.zip
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                            Yeah, it’s like the pictures on cigarette packages. We all know it’s terrible for us, but if you’re addicted it probably won’t make a difference.

                            Still I’m all for it, it could help someone on the way to an addiction to think over their consumption.

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                              andre613@lemmy.ca
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                              Wait, this guy is still around? He would know about alcohol, he’s gotten so many DUIs, assault charges and drug possession charges, he could be the poster-child…

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                              • C cheese_greater@lemmy.world

                                What do you think about kombucha, i find it kinda itches the right spot

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                                elfin8er@lemmy.world
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                                I’ve been trying this out myself, and I’d agree!

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                                  freshparsnip@lemmy.ca
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                                  I’ve always found it weird alcohol doesn’t have warning labels. I guess the risks are common knowledge but still. When I buy weed online, they send info about the risks with it

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                                  • E elfin8er@lemmy.world

                                    I’ve been trying this out myself, and I’d agree!

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                                    cheese_greater@lemmy.world
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                                    Watch the sugar in them, try to get one with no more than 10g sugar, the dryer the better but i dont care for the ones that have xylitol and stevia etc

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                                      Your rationale is I don’t want to pay more because I don’t want to.

                                      I understand, nobody does want to pay more for things, but the way taxation is structured means every bottle has a net cost to society. That’s not a justifiable or defensible position.

                                      And your claim that you just cook with it is highly specious.

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                                      pilferjinx
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                                      The assumptions you’re making are out of this world. Your reaching at things past criticalilty.

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                                        Hard agree. The amount of alcohol that humans can safely consume is approaching zero.

                                        And … The Canada Alcohol Deficit studies indicate that our current alcohol deficit is over 6 billion dollars. Meaning that after we take in taxation on alcohol, and we deal with the social, health, and criminal costs, we’re down 6B (e: the linked article below shows just under 4Bn but that’s out of date)

                                        Not only do we need warning labels, but we need to literally double the price of alcohol imo

                                        https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/reports-publications/health-promotion-chronic-disease-prevention-canada-research-policy-practice/vol-40-no-5-6-2020/alcohol-deficit-canadian-government-revenue-societal-costs.html

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                                        i_love_fft@jlai.lu
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                                        Education is the important part. I’m astounded that some people don’t know how bad alcohol is…

                                        My grandpa was dry and an uncle was alcoholic for a long time. My upbringing was never shy from talking about the negative effects of alcohol.

                                        However, our society is built such that alcohol is part of the machine to keep the anxiety at bay. Forcing a reduction of alcohol consumption by itself is a bad idea, as it would make all the anxiety problems worst. Make sure people know how dangerous it is, but allow people to find other tools to help where alcohol is used.

                                        How to you break the social barrier of low confidence and shyness in young adults? How to you recharge and reset the overworked office brain? How to you release muscle tension after a long day of sports?

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                                        • P pilferjinx

                                          The assumptions you’re making are out of this world. Your reaching at things past criticalilty.

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                                          Krudler
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                                          What the hell are you talking about, can you not connect the dots of a basic conversation?

                                          Alcohol is a net detraction from our society… You don’t want it to go up in price because you enjoy the product and want it to be cheap. And you really don’t care if your ability to get it cheap means that it harms our society.

                                          I feel like I’m talking to an infant here

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