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Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

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  • Miss GayleM Miss Gayle

    @Pamela1960 @cstross

    Certificates can be faked. Blood tests at the port of entry administered by port authority medics would work better.

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    @MissGayle @cstross But would take too long.

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    • Pam CP Pam C

      @MissGayle @cstross But would take too long.

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      @Pamela1960 @cstross

      Too long for whom? Only Americans would be affected, and frankly, that doesn't bother me any. And yes, I'm American.

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      • MyrddinEmerys  🍁🍂🍁M MyrddinEmerys 🍁🍂🍁

        @cstross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Alexander_(polio_survivor)

        Considering he died not that long ago means there are polio survivors probably still floating around, so it isn’t that long ago polio was killing people. I also remember my mom talking about her mom taking them and standing in line for the vaccine when it came out because she knew how deadly it was.

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        @MyrddinEmerys @cstross

        Yes, there are polio survivors “still floating around” — here's one I know:

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        Read 83 reviews from the world’s largest community for readers. From being a little girl in a village in China with polio to a tech executive at Apple, Lib…

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        (Thank you Libo for being an inspiring colleague in several presentations and projects.)

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

          Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

          RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

          (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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          @cstross

          And his "vaccines cause autism" nonsense is basically old folklore about changelings in a new guise.

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          • G gwenh

            @cstross I am not a medical professional, nor do I wish to play devil's advocate, but common sense tells us that at the beginning of the 20th century, hygiene standards and knowledge of medicines were much lower, so it is difficult to assess the impact of one factor or another on child mortality.

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            @gwenh Not just that: overcrowding was rife to an extent that's largely forgotten today. 20 people sleeping in the same room.

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            • Bart SchullerB Bart Schuller

              @cstross That means they’ll need even more white babies. Don’t these people talk to each other?

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              @cstross reminds me of the project Lebensborn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn @bart

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              • Glen TurnerG Glen Turner

                @cstross If I may be allowed a small rant.

                What shits me is that this nonsense doesn't stay in the US. These folk fund anti-vax messaging across the world.

                So, a sole health worker in remote Australia has to combat targeted anti-vax propoganda funded by US organisations, and increasingly by the US government. Some US organisations simply pay elders to betray their communities' best interests. The local clinic nurse doesn't always succeed in winning against the powerful, and in some remote communities old diseases have come back.

                These communicable diseases make unusable the sole medical clinic for hundreds of kilometres.

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                @glent

                Facebook is the greatest geopolitical weapon ever invented.

                @cstross

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  @arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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                  @cstross @arafel @bjn @lauren What did the snilodon clones do to deserve such a fate?

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                    Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                    RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                    (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                    @cstross RFK jr, like Wakefield, is a poxbottle!

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                    • Glen TurnerG Glen Turner

                      @cstross If I may be allowed a small rant.

                      What shits me is that this nonsense doesn't stay in the US. These folk fund anti-vax messaging across the world.

                      So, a sole health worker in remote Australia has to combat targeted anti-vax propoganda funded by US organisations, and increasingly by the US government. Some US organisations simply pay elders to betray their communities' best interests. The local clinic nurse doesn't always succeed in winning against the powerful, and in some remote communities old diseases have come back.

                      These communicable diseases make unusable the sole medical clinic for hundreds of kilometres.

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                      @glent @cstross

                      I'm sorry to hear this. I'm old enough to have seen polio and making vaccinations parent-choice is raw stupidity.

                      But why is this happening? Yes POTUS and JFK-Jr pushing it has raised exposure to another level. But why are people rushing to embrace the idea? And where are the voices pushing back?

                      Are people getting more stupid? Or are we lost without Ann Landers and a few voices of reason that the public trusts?

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                      • JamesJ James

                        @glent @cstross

                        I'm sorry to hear this. I'm old enough to have seen polio and making vaccinations parent-choice is raw stupidity.

                        But why is this happening? Yes POTUS and JFK-Jr pushing it has raised exposure to another level. But why are people rushing to embrace the idea? And where are the voices pushing back?

                        Are people getting more stupid? Or are we lost without Ann Landers and a few voices of reason that the public trusts?

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                        @JHB17 @glent Commercial social media platforms are designed to amplify memes and generate engagement. Truth is at best an afterthought. Conspiracy theories are usually easier to grasp than the actual reality of a complex issue, so they out-compete realistic information …

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