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Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

    Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

    RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

    (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

    Bruno NicolettiB This user is from outside of this forum
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    Bruno Nicoletti
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    @cstross @lauren They could just go full Spartan and leave new borns out overnight so that only the “strongest” survive.

    (Note, this is not a good idea on so many levels).

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

      Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

      RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

      (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

      InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
      InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

      MidgePhotoP InfoseepageI Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)S George CollinsG A Sweet GentlemanA 7 Replies Last reply
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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

        Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

        RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

        (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

        axel.A This user is from outside of this forum
        axel.A This user is from outside of this forum
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        @cstross Not to put a too fine point on that, but people in iron lungs also don’t breed easily.

        Pure eugenics.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

          Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

          RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

          (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

          Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
          Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
          Madeleine Morris
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          @cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.

          My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.

          It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...

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          • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

            @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

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            @Infoseepage
            Tempting to advise a more permanent placement.

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            • Madeleine MorrisR Madeleine Morris

              @cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.

              My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.

              It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...

              Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
              Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @cstross
              But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

              But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

              Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

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              • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

                InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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                @cstross Here is one I know the story of personally. It is my great aunt who died shortly before turning three of a long and torturous bout of measles that left her sick and in bed for three months before succumbing. My great grandma was pregnant with my grandmother at the time and was so deeply depressed after her daughter's death that my great grandfather built a casket for her to be ready.

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                Minnesota Deaths, 1887-2001Name May B LarsonSex FemaleAge 2Birth Date 1924Birthplace Hibbing, MinnesotaFather's Name Garfield LarsonFather's Sex MaleMother's Name Clara E HagenMother's Sex FemaleEvent Type DeathEvent Date 12 May 1926Event Place Hibbing, St. Louis, Minnesota, United StatesCertificate Number 13788

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                  Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                  RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                  (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                  George BG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  George B
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                  @cstross

                  I have this picture saved to my phone for just that reason

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                  • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                    @cstross Here is one I know the story of personally. It is my great aunt who died shortly before turning three of a long and torturous bout of measles that left her sick and in bed for three months before succumbing. My great grandma was pregnant with my grandmother at the time and was so deeply depressed after her daughter's death that my great grandfather built a casket for her to be ready.

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                    May B Larson (1923-1926) - Find a Grave Memorial

                    Minnesota Deaths, 1887-2001Name May B LarsonSex FemaleAge 2Birth Date 1924Birthplace Hibbing, MinnesotaFather's Name Garfield LarsonFather's Sex MaleMother's Name Clara E HagenMother's Sex FemaleEvent Type DeathEvent Date 12 May 1926Event Place Hibbing, St. Louis, Minnesota, United StatesCertificate Number 13788

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                    @cstross The depression lingered for years and my grandmother had to be nursed and brought up by others in the family. Mae only got a foot stone, but others received less. Search Larson for that cemetery and see how many are simply listed as baby boy or baby girl Larson. The choice is between vaccination or caskets. It is that stark.

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                    May B Larson (1923-1926) - Find a Grave Memorial

                    Minnesota Deaths, 1887-2001Name May B LarsonSex FemaleAge 2Birth Date 1924Birthplace Hibbing, MinnesotaFather's Name Garfield LarsonFather's Sex MaleMother's Name Clara E HagenMother's Sex FemaleEvent Type DeathEvent Date 12 May 1926Event Place Hibbing, St. Louis, Minnesota, United StatesCertificate Number 13788

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                    • Madeleine MorrisR Madeleine Morris

                      @cstross
                      But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

                      But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

                      Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

                      Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @cstross And as a strange aside, because of course suicide is prohibited in the Catholic religion, she was buried in consecrated ground because the priest argued that the removal of the brace was not suicidal. That if God had wanted her to keep on breathing, she would have.

                      Humans have been fucked up since forever.

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                      • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                        @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

                        Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)S This user is from outside of this forum
                        Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)S This user is from outside of this forum
                        Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)
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                        @Infoseepage
                        Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves

                        @cstross

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                          Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                          RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                          (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                          Thumptastic3T This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @cstross We improve with education. Our breed is HUMAN. UGH!!! People can be so evil! We are one species, on race.

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                            Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                            RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                            (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                            Stephen DarlingtonS This user is from outside of this forum
                            Stephen DarlingtonS This user is from outside of this forum
                            Stephen Darlington
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                            @cstross …and infant mortality is already much higher in the US than in any other comparable country.

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                            • Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)S Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)

                              @Infoseepage
                              Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves

                              @cstross

                              InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Infoseepage
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                              @suzannealdrich @cstross Oh, I could continue to share stories about ancestors who died from contagious diseases for hours.

                              One of my great grandfathers who caught the Spanish Flu died of it and he was in his twenties and the very picture of health. Was the captain of his basketball team and played several other sports as well. He looked like an Olympic athlete. Didn't save him.

                              This idea of just letting disease run wild to somehow produce a race of supermen is just bonkers.

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                              • Madeleine MorrisR Madeleine Morris

                                @cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.

                                My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.

                                It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...

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                                @Remittancegirl @cstross When I was about … I want to say 6? … I had to go to the hospital in Edmonton. I got to see the polio ward and its rack upon rack of quiet iron lungs.

                                Except for the two that still had inhabitants.

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                                  Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                                  RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                                  (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                                  Petra van Cronenburg
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                                  @cstross pure fascist #eugenics! And the horror: He has a lot of fans in Europe, too!

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                                  • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                                    @suzannealdrich @cstross Oh, I could continue to share stories about ancestors who died from contagious diseases for hours.

                                    One of my great grandfathers who caught the Spanish Flu died of it and he was in his twenties and the very picture of health. Was the captain of his basketball team and played several other sports as well. He looked like an Olympic athlete. Didn't save him.

                                    This idea of just letting disease run wild to somehow produce a race of supermen is just bonkers.

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                                    Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)
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                                    @Infoseepage
                                    God it just makes me so sick, the thought of these monsters preventing people, or even discouraging them, from vaccinating themselves and their children from PREVENTABLE DISEASES that we already HAVE THE VACCINES FOR. The one job they should have, the ONE thing we should INSIST on, from ANY public figure, is the OBLIGATION on a free and lawful society to PREVENT HARM or RISK OF HARM to OTHERS. Full stop. Period. That is it. And by harm I mean REAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN, not imaginary SHIT THAT AIN’T REAL. As SOON as anyone, and I mean ANYONE; says a RUCKING BREATH about vaccines, we all need to immediately stop anyone from saying that bullshit, and just say, simply and out loud so anyone can hear you from outside your circle, “vaccines cause adults, and I’m so glad to be alive because of them.” The end. Full stop. no disassembling. and just call out the anti reality slop that anyone tries to pull, immediately, interrupt them and don’t be polite or let them finish their bullshit poisonous toxic bad opinion as garbage misinformation that will get as all killed period. See? It’s easy. Call it out don’t accept the death-causing lies. You need to have a boundary and this is an easy one to draw, for the health and safety of humanity, lol
                                    @cstross

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                                    • Madeleine MorrisR Madeleine Morris

                                      @cstross And as a strange aside, because of course suicide is prohibited in the Catholic religion, she was buried in consecrated ground because the priest argued that the removal of the brace was not suicidal. That if God had wanted her to keep on breathing, she would have.

                                      Humans have been fucked up since forever.

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                                      @Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.

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                                      • Paul WalkerA Paul Walker

                                        @Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.

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                                        Madeleine Morris
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                                        @arafel He definitely helped her parents - who were devoutly Catholic and frantic about the state of her immortal soul. @cstross

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                                        • Bruno NicolettiB Bruno Nicoletti

                                          @cstross @lauren They could just go full Spartan and leave new borns out overnight so that only the “strongest” survive.

                                          (Note, this is not a good idea on so many levels).

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                                          @bjn @cstross @lauren It's not, but I'm starting to think that the proponents of "stop vaccinating, natural selection!" should be left in a wilderness area for a week or two, on their own, with whatever tools they can make. Natural selection, right?

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