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Tattoo Ink Moves Through the Body, Killing Immune Cells and Weakening Vaccine Response

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  • KingK King

    Study

    The researchers discovered that once a tattoo is made, the ink rapidly travels through the lymphatic system and, within hours, accumulates in large quantities in the lymph nodes — key organs of the body’s defense system. Inside these nodes, immune cells called macrophages actively capture all types of pigment. This ink uptake triggers an inflammatory response with two phases: an acute phase lasting about two days after tattooing, followed by a chronic phase that can persist for years. The chronic phase is particularly concerning because it weakens the immune system, potentially increasing the susceptibility to infections and cancer. The study also showed that macrophages cannot break down the ink like they would other pathogens, wich causes them to die, especially with red and black inks, suggesting these colors may be more toxic. As a result, ink remains trapped in the lymph nodes in a continuous cycle of capture and cell death, gradually affecting the immune system’s defensive capacity.

    The study found that tattooed mice produced significantly lower levels of antibodies after vaccination. This effect is likely due to the impaired function of immune cells that remain associated with tattoo ink for long periods. Similarly, human immune cells previously exposed to ink also showed a weakened response to vaccination.

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    • KingK King

      Study

      The researchers discovered that once a tattoo is made, the ink rapidly travels through the lymphatic system and, within hours, accumulates in large quantities in the lymph nodes — key organs of the body’s defense system. Inside these nodes, immune cells called macrophages actively capture all types of pigment. This ink uptake triggers an inflammatory response with two phases: an acute phase lasting about two days after tattooing, followed by a chronic phase that can persist for years. The chronic phase is particularly concerning because it weakens the immune system, potentially increasing the susceptibility to infections and cancer. The study also showed that macrophages cannot break down the ink like they would other pathogens, wich causes them to die, especially with red and black inks, suggesting these colors may be more toxic. As a result, ink remains trapped in the lymph nodes in a continuous cycle of capture and cell death, gradually affecting the immune system’s defensive capacity.

      The study found that tattooed mice produced significantly lower levels of antibodies after vaccination. This effect is likely due to the impaired function of immune cells that remain associated with tattoo ink for long periods. Similarly, human immune cells previously exposed to ink also showed a weakened response to vaccination.

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      arscynic@lemmy.ml
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      Steve-O is still alive; humanity will be fine.

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      • stravanasuP stravanasu

        Why not be a professional scientist by:

        • adding “in mice” to the title;
        • using modern statistical methods instead of continuously discredited procedures like p-values?
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        monkdervierte@lemmy.zip
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        • adding “in mice” to the title;

        Similarly, human immune cells previously exposed to ink also showed a weakened response to vaccination.

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        • J jhex@lemmy.world

          how low? weakened by how much?

          I think they leave that out on purpose so they can make these sensational claims… if your immune system takes a 0.02% hit, nobody would care

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          Phoenixz
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          You’d care if it’s a 20% hit, though.

          But you’re completely right, without any details, the claims are rather empty at best

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          • KingK King

            Study

            The researchers discovered that once a tattoo is made, the ink rapidly travels through the lymphatic system and, within hours, accumulates in large quantities in the lymph nodes — key organs of the body’s defense system. Inside these nodes, immune cells called macrophages actively capture all types of pigment. This ink uptake triggers an inflammatory response with two phases: an acute phase lasting about two days after tattooing, followed by a chronic phase that can persist for years. The chronic phase is particularly concerning because it weakens the immune system, potentially increasing the susceptibility to infections and cancer. The study also showed that macrophages cannot break down the ink like they would other pathogens, wich causes them to die, especially with red and black inks, suggesting these colors may be more toxic. As a result, ink remains trapped in the lymph nodes in a continuous cycle of capture and cell death, gradually affecting the immune system’s defensive capacity.

            The study found that tattooed mice produced significantly lower levels of antibodies after vaccination. This effect is likely due to the impaired function of immune cells that remain associated with tattoo ink for long periods. Similarly, human immune cells previously exposed to ink also showed a weakened response to vaccination.

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            gmtom@lemmy.world
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            Surely someone could check this by doing a statistical analysis of cancer patients with tattoos vs how many of the general population has tattoos?

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            • G gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world

              Why make this comment encouraging bad behavior? This feels like injected negativity for negativity sake. Idk man, be the change you want to see in your community.

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              sendmephotos@lemmy.world
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              Because I am a sarcastic fuck.

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              • KingK King

                Study

                The researchers discovered that once a tattoo is made, the ink rapidly travels through the lymphatic system and, within hours, accumulates in large quantities in the lymph nodes — key organs of the body’s defense system. Inside these nodes, immune cells called macrophages actively capture all types of pigment. This ink uptake triggers an inflammatory response with two phases: an acute phase lasting about two days after tattooing, followed by a chronic phase that can persist for years. The chronic phase is particularly concerning because it weakens the immune system, potentially increasing the susceptibility to infections and cancer. The study also showed that macrophages cannot break down the ink like they would other pathogens, wich causes them to die, especially with red and black inks, suggesting these colors may be more toxic. As a result, ink remains trapped in the lymph nodes in a continuous cycle of capture and cell death, gradually affecting the immune system’s defensive capacity.

                The study found that tattooed mice produced significantly lower levels of antibodies after vaccination. This effect is likely due to the impaired function of immune cells that remain associated with tattoo ink for long periods. Similarly, human immune cells previously exposed to ink also showed a weakened response to vaccination.

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                sinadjetivos@lemmy.world
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                The full paper is here and, as usual, it’s hardly anything and decontextualized in order to get a publishable result.

                This one is so bad that it doesn’t use established baselines or do any form of statistical analysis on the results instead opting for their own “baseline” measurements using very small sample sizes. It also plays a smoke and mirrors game where it shows a result for short term immunological response and then uses that to insinuate the ‘slightly reduced but still likely well within the error of the poor control’ long term effects are worth noting.

                Other major flaws:

                • As others have mentioned, mice are a terrible model for this as their skin is very thin and proper tattooing is near impossible.
                • They mention verifying with human cadavers but don’t include any data from those.
                • There was no control group, the baseline was an untreated mouse, not one with an acute foot trauma.
                • Mice age very quickly, best I can tell the immunological markers weren’t age controlled. 2 months out of a <2 year lifespan is a lot of aging. Again, if there was a proper control to measure against.
                • The obsfucation of the raw data into cheesy and unreadable box and whisker plots is hella suspicious.

                At best it’s a very poorly communicated and poorly designed experiment but I suspect that’s due to it result hunting.

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                • H Horsey

                  Human subjects are crazy to work with for a few reasons

                  1. People don’t follow instructions perfectly
                  2. Research subjects often don’t take the research project very seriously.
                  3. It’s not uncommon to have dropouts, thus you either have to find more subjects or have less data.
                  4. It’s impossible to know what the subjects are doing to cause data variability (diet, vices, etc)
                  5. You can’t lock subjects in a room and force them to eat and drink the same food every day.
                  6. There’s a financial (time) penalty to many research studies that can get in the way of enthusiastic participation.

                  Laboratory mice literally live 5 to a cage with almost no diet variability, in a controlled environment. Yes shit does happen with research mice, but it’s something that is easy to control overall.

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                    You’d care if it’s a 20% hit, though.

                    But you’re completely right, without any details, the claims are rather empty at best

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                    jhex@lemmy.world
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                    Absolutely! and having tattoos I care extra… the devil is always in the details

                    In the society we live in, I’d guess the difference is minuscule so they hide the details to justify the headline

                    Anecdotally, I live in Canada and tons of people have tattoos; health benchmarks are pretty decent here even if politicians have been trying really hard to dismatle our healthcare system… I feel we would have seen/suspected this before if it were significant (I work in healthcare)

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                    • T Thymos

                      Thanks, I’m good.

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                      Øπ3ŕ
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                      Hardly. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Not my monkey, not my circus. Good luck.

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                      • S sendmephotos@lemmy.world

                        … This is the internet. You can always be like the rest and pretend you know everything and are multi discaplined, instead of taking the proper, less fun, honest route.

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                        fartographer@lemmy.world
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                        As a triple MD of researchology and a minor in advanced bullshitterism, I can 100% confirm that the advice in this comment is the absolute healthiest way to interact with people on the Internet.

                        Also, while the mice were only tested for two months after the tattoo, researchers continued to track the health of the mice via phone calls and getting together for after work beers every third Tuesday of the month.

                        Source: I was probably one of the researchers or something.

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                        • B bookmeat@lemmynsfw.com

                          You’re freaking out over over a single study. This is the beginning of a more comprehensive investigation. Chill your cornhole 🙂

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                          P03 Locke
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                          And yet, this single study has already pushed through the news cycle in multiple directions, thanks to its dangerously deceptive headline.

                          It doesn’t matter if it’s gets disproven in later studies, the damage has been done.

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                          • O Caveman

                            Sure, the study would be best if we did a randomised double blind study on a sample of 100 people that all are going to get a tattoo anyway but that doesn’t make the mouse study irrelevant.

                            Mice and humans, although very different in appearance have biomechanics that are very similar. For every human study you could make a 20 mouse studies with the same funding so you could do a lot more exploration.

                            This study found something, notably that ink in the blood affected the immune system. This just means that future studies are needed like injecting people with tattoo ink and blood samples diagnosis after tattoo to see how much ink is in the blood. If confirmed this will push tattoo ink manufacturers to develop a new ink that eliminates the effect and we can all enjoy safer more effective tattooing.

                            This study is not flawed, it’s pushing human knowledge forward like it always does.

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                            P03 Locke
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                            It’s the size of the animal that’s important here. I’m aware that mice can sometimes have useful biomechanical similarities to humans, but this is the wrong animal to use in this case. Pigs would have been much much better.

                            Tattooing is a delicate operation that requires precision, even using different pressures between male and female human skin, and that does not scale well at all for an animal that is 100x smaller than a human.

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                            • M monkdervierte@lemmy.zip
                              • adding “in mice” to the title;

                              Similarly, human immune cells previously exposed to ink also showed a weakened response to vaccination.

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                              P03 Locke
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                              In a Petri dish!

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                              • S sinadjetivos@lemmy.world

                                The full paper is here and, as usual, it’s hardly anything and decontextualized in order to get a publishable result.

                                This one is so bad that it doesn’t use established baselines or do any form of statistical analysis on the results instead opting for their own “baseline” measurements using very small sample sizes. It also plays a smoke and mirrors game where it shows a result for short term immunological response and then uses that to insinuate the ‘slightly reduced but still likely well within the error of the poor control’ long term effects are worth noting.

                                Other major flaws:

                                • As others have mentioned, mice are a terrible model for this as their skin is very thin and proper tattooing is near impossible.
                                • They mention verifying with human cadavers but don’t include any data from those.
                                • There was no control group, the baseline was an untreated mouse, not one with an acute foot trauma.
                                • Mice age very quickly, best I can tell the immunological markers weren’t age controlled. 2 months out of a <2 year lifespan is a lot of aging. Again, if there was a proper control to measure against.
                                • The obsfucation of the raw data into cheesy and unreadable box and whisker plots is hella suspicious.

                                At best it’s a very poorly communicated and poorly designed experiment but I suspect that’s due to it result hunting.

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                                P03 Locke
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                                What the hell? Was this even peer reviewed?

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                                • P03 LockeP P03 Locke

                                  And yet, this single study has already pushed through the news cycle in multiple directions, thanks to its dangerously deceptive headline.

                                  It doesn’t matter if it’s gets disproven in later studies, the damage has been done.

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                                  frongt@lemmy.zip
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                                  What damage?

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                                    shotdonkey@lemmy.world
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                                    Please spare us with AI generated images.

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                                    • P03 LockeP P03 Locke

                                      What the hell? Was this even peer reviewed?

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                                      p1nkman@lemmy.world
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                                      Probably by LLMs.

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                                      • H Horsey

                                        Human subjects are crazy to work with for a few reasons

                                        1. People don’t follow instructions perfectly
                                        2. Research subjects often don’t take the research project very seriously.
                                        3. It’s not uncommon to have dropouts, thus you either have to find more subjects or have less data.
                                        4. It’s impossible to know what the subjects are doing to cause data variability (diet, vices, etc)
                                        5. You can’t lock subjects in a room and force them to eat and drink the same food every day.
                                        6. There’s a financial (time) penalty to many research studies that can get in the way of enthusiastic participation.

                                        Laboratory mice literally live 5 to a cage with almost no diet variability, in a controlled environment. Yes shit does happen with research mice, but it’s something that is easy to control overall.

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                                        grey_maniac@lemmy.ca
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                                        If only there was a place where humans who have a tendency to get tattoos are in cages for an exrended period of time with a relatively consistent, trackable food intake, and constantly tracked behaviour. Humans who might even be motivated by privileges to volunteer for such studies.

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                                        • F faythofdragons@slrpnk.net

                                          Honestly, I think that shitty science reporting like this is fuel for the normie to science skeptic pipeline.

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                                          grey_maniac@lemmy.ca
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                                          Which could be its primary purpose. Science skeptics are easier to manipulate.

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