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Larian Studios defends Valve: Steam's success is deserved

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  • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works

    While many accuse Valve of monopolising the PC gaming market, others argue that Steam’s dominance is simply the result of doing things right.

    These assertions do not contradict. I cannot overstress that.

    This whole article is ‘Valve’s monopoly is fine because they did things right.’

    Having one good store is not, in itself, a problem. But it does mean we’re one fuckup away from having no good stores.

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    nixus
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    #52

    Gaben doing nothing wrong, competitions shooting themselves in the foot

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    • H honytawk@feddit.nl

      The competition is at work, but too many fanboys blindly bashing on anything that isn’t Steam is making it very hard for them.

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      zerohora@lemmy.ml
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      The only competition is GOG and they will never succeed with DRM free for the big AAA. Epic succeeding is the worst case scenario

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      • Tywèle [she|her]T Tywèle [she|her]

        Competition keeps them honest, and right now we need more real contenders, not just storefronts throwing money at exclusives.

        Then the competition should put in the work.

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        shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
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        #54

        That’s hard to do when Steam has all but cornered the market. Say what you will about Epic’s ineptitude, but even investing billions, the publisher of the biggest game ever can’t break into the market. Now imagine how hard it’d be for a smaller player.

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        • S skunkworkz@lemmy.world

          He should turn it into a non-profit right before he dies and put the ip under a foundation or something so it can’t be sold off in pieces.

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          dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          #55

          He wont though

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            dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            wrote last edited by dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            #56

            So tencent or a saudi prince buys them and it will be fine guyyyyssss haha

            Nothing ever bad happens under private ownership either right?

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            • fizz@lemmy.nzF fizz@lemmy.nz

              Is discovery a dumpster fire? I mean sure it could be better but I dont think its a dumpster fire. It seems there are constantly new small team indie games doing wild numbers on the platform. If discovery was truely bad we would be seeing the charts dominated by big studios.

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              shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
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              As a player, I feel like discovery is great. I found literally dozens of interesting games just by scrolling down the main page.

              I don’t know how it’s for devs, but it’s probably all but impossible to get traction if you’re just throwing your game in there, Fests being a compromised solution to an impossible problem

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              • D damage@feddit.it

                OpenAI is a non-profit

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                shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
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                And FIFA

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                • fizz@lemmy.nzF fizz@lemmy.nz

                  He wasnt talking about search it was about algorithmic recommendation.

                  But you can filter by multiple tags. When you click search select the advanced search at the bottom of the dropdown. It does all the things you mention and far more

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                  asmoranomar@lemmy.world
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                  #59

                  Mr biggest problem with tags is that it’s user curated and you can recommend an unlimited number of them.

                  Just because a game has a few funny moments, doesn’t mean it gets the comedy tag. Just because it has a brief driving sequence doesn’t mean it gets the racing tag. Just because there’s some reading involved doesn’t mean you get the visual novel tag.

                  It’s getting to the point I feel like there’s a conspiracy where there’s teams of people intentionally sabotaging the tag system and teams trying to counter it, all so they can control views and sales. It’s really noticeable when a publisher stops marketing and moves to another release.

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                  • exuE exu

                    Krita is open source but paid on Steam

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                    JakoJakoJako13
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                    #60

                    Same with Aseprite. You can buy it from their store or Steam. If you’re cool enough you can compile it yourself and get the full program for free.

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                    • thingsiplay@beehaw.orgT thingsiplay@beehaw.org

                      I would buy from GOG too, if they provided Linux support in form of an official launcher. And if available also official Linux builds. Back in the days GOG did that, but they stopped doing it. And before someone comes after me, I know there are alternative launchers on Linux. But I don’t want to give GOG money for work others doing it for free. I don’t want support a company who only cares about Windows.

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                      prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                      #61

                      You can just add it to Steam as a non-Steam game and launch it from there

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                      • P psionicsickness@reddthat.com

                        And it will last til Gabe dies. Then I guarantee it enshittifes so fast it will make your head spin.

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                        reiea@sh.itjust.works
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                        100% this. He’s definitely keeping a bunch of bad stuff at bay.

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                        • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                          You can just add it to Steam as a non-Steam game and launch it from there

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                          thingsiplay@beehaw.org
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                          This does not address the issue I brought up in my reply. Besides the brought up point, it would not solve all other issues I would have. I know the functionality to add non-Steam games since I am on Steam over 12 years ago.

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                            While many accuse Valve of monopolising the PC gaming market, others argue that Steam\'s dominance is simply the result of doing things right.

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                            ssillyssadass
                            wrote last edited by archmageazor@lemmy.world
                            #64

                            Steam is the very, very rare case of a major company that is both not beholden to shareholders, and has a pretty good guy at the helm.

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                            • S shinkantrain@lemmy.ml

                              That’s hard to do when Steam has all but cornered the market. Say what you will about Epic’s ineptitude, but even investing billions, the publisher of the biggest game ever can’t break into the market. Now imagine how hard it’d be for a smaller player.

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                              AwesomeLowlander
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                              Epic can’t break into the market because of their own shitty launcher, not because of anything Steam has done to lock down the competition.

                              Now imagine how hard it’d be for a smaller player.

                              Not very hard, if they were willing to create a decent launcher and engage in sustainable business practices (and regional pricing).

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                                cmhe@lemmy.world
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                                Na. Even privatly traded companies can enshittify when it gets inherited to people not sharing the same vision as the one that made the company successful.

                                If you want to prevent enshittification more long term, convert it to a non-profit cooperative, with a work ethic that promotes providing the best service over short term profit.

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                                  Gaben doing nothing wrong, competitions shooting themselves in the foot

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                                  mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                                  And if his yacht sinks, we’re boned.

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                                  • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

                                    Yes, I still need to go through Steam for every install.

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                                    AwesomeLowlander
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                                    Non-drm steam games can actually just be copied around like you would copy the installer

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                                    • A AwesomeLowlander

                                      Epic can’t break into the market because of their own shitty launcher, not because of anything Steam has done to lock down the competition.

                                      Now imagine how hard it’d be for a smaller player.

                                      Not very hard, if they were willing to create a decent launcher and engage in sustainable business practices (and regional pricing).

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                                      shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
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                                      I sincerely doubt that even if another launcher did everything Steam does, it would rival it without huge amounts of money being thrown around. People already use Steam.

                                      And that’s assuming they get to this point, ignoring that Steam had decades to get there. It used to be ass.

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                                      • S shinkantrain@lemmy.ml

                                        I sincerely doubt that even if another launcher did everything Steam does, it would rival it without huge amounts of money being thrown around. People already use Steam.

                                        And that’s assuming they get to this point, ignoring that Steam had decades to get there. It used to be ass.

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                                        orygin@sh.itjust.works
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                                        Not every company can pull it off, but I’m certain if Epic had invested in their launchers it could have worked.
                                        A few years in and their launcher has stagnated completely

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                                        • A asmoranomar@lemmy.world

                                          Mr biggest problem with tags is that it’s user curated and you can recommend an unlimited number of them.

                                          Just because a game has a few funny moments, doesn’t mean it gets the comedy tag. Just because it has a brief driving sequence doesn’t mean it gets the racing tag. Just because there’s some reading involved doesn’t mean you get the visual novel tag.

                                          It’s getting to the point I feel like there’s a conspiracy where there’s teams of people intentionally sabotaging the tag system and teams trying to counter it, all so they can control views and sales. It’s really noticeable when a publisher stops marketing and moves to another release.

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                                          Grey Cat
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                                          I don’t think you can create new tags can you ? At least I have not seen a place to do that.

                                          But I do also think that there could be more specific tags.
                                          And yeah, being able to AND / OR would be hella good.

                                          However, I would not describe it as a dumpster fire, it’s pretty good all things considered.

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