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Quebec to ban religious symbols in daycare centres

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  • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    I’m Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don’t believe religious symbols belong in a child’s daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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    mrdown@lemmy.world
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    #12

    What worry me is those kind of things.

    Protesters face off in Montreal over controversial presentation for land sale in Israel, West Bank

    Why I didn’t hear him criticize this

    I don’t think telling what sign a person use is something the state need to be involved in . I’m not that serious about this but maybe Paul can remove st aka saint from his name

    He also complained about a lapresse article talking about the increase of anti immigrant sentiment where more Quebecor think immigration contribute the increase of criminality

    He also believe in the Initiative du siècle which is the same rhetoric of the grand replacement as both promote the extreme fear of demographic changes

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    • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      I’m conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn’t it restrict ALL religious symbols? I’m all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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      montreal_metro@lemmy.ca
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      The giant cross on the top of Mount Royal is a religious symbol too so they should remove it asap.

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      • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        I’m conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn’t it restrict ALL religious symbols? I’m all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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          psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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          This image released in September 2013 by a minority PQ government shows a proposal for types of religious clothing allowed and not allowed for public workers under Quebec’s proposed ‘charter of values.’ (The Associated Press/Quebec government)

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          • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

            This image released in September 2013 by a minority PQ government shows a proposal for types of religious clothing allowed and not allowed for public workers under Quebec’s proposed ‘charter of values.’ (The Associated Press/Quebec government)

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            If you have additional information that contradicts it, I’d happy to see it. I don’t live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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            • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              I’m conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn’t it restrict ALL religious symbols? I’m all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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              greddan@feddit.org
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              I mean the Yahweh cult and it’s different sects (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) comes from an ancient middle-eastern religion. It’s also the deadliest and most violent cult/ideology in the history of mankind. Wearing a cross, star or moon is pretty much the same thing as wearing a swastika, except maybe worse.

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                If you have additional information that contradicts it, I’d happy to see it. I don’t live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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                psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                I don’t, and i don’t live in canada, nor i care about the politics too much, that’s why i’m here to see what’s up, and i find taking an 2013 image from the government proposal at the time and without context is a bit disingenuous.

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                • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

                  I don’t, and i don’t live in canada, nor i care about the politics too much, that’s why i’m here to see what’s up, and i find taking an 2013 image from the government proposal at the time and without context is a bit disingenuous.

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                  I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

                  But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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                    I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

                    But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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                    psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                    Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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                    • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

                      Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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                      I linked to the article!

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                      • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                        I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

                        But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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                        icytrees@sh.itjust.works
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                        The bill is still being debated in the supreme court. A timeline with more details and updates can be found here: https://ccla.org/major-cases-and-reports/bill-21/

                        That said, the Quebec government has been pretty fucking hostile to people who wear religious symbols. The original article frames it as residual tensions from the French Catholic chuch but a big part of it is definitely xenophobia and racism. Montreal and Quebec City are progressive havens in a land of very small, very white, very religious towns.

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                        • I icytrees@sh.itjust.works

                          The bill is still being debated in the supreme court. A timeline with more details and updates can be found here: https://ccla.org/major-cases-and-reports/bill-21/

                          That said, the Quebec government has been pretty fucking hostile to people who wear religious symbols. The original article frames it as residual tensions from the French Catholic chuch but a big part of it is definitely xenophobia and racism. Montreal and Quebec City are progressive havens in a land of very small, very white, very religious towns.

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                          Thank you - this is what I’m here for.

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                          • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                            I linked to the article!

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                            psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                            Yes but i have to scroll waaaaay down to the picture only to find it is a picture from waaaay back. I’m not saying you are, but i often find people who have the intention to mislead tend to post it this way.

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                            • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

                              Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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                              mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              appropriate username

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                              • K Krudler

                                How’s this going to fly for indigenous symbols?

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                                mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                Their cultural symbols and practices are protected under Federal Law.

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                                • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  I’m Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don’t believe religious symbols belong in a child’s daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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                                  mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  Education and religion are inherently incompatible. If I saw my children’s teachers wearing a cross, I’d question their ability to actually do their job, especially in the Sciences.

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                                  • mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.comM mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    appropriate username

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                                    Avid Amoeba
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                                    More like annoying_attitude. ValueSub deserves better.

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                                    • G greddan@feddit.org

                                      I mean the Yahweh cult and it’s different sects (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) comes from an ancient middle-eastern religion. It’s also the deadliest and most violent cult/ideology in the history of mankind. Wearing a cross, star or moon is pretty much the same thing as wearing a swastika, except maybe worse.

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                                      jillyb@beehaw.org
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                                      Hey look, me at 16

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                                      • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                        More like annoying_attitude. ValueSub deserves better.

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                                        psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                                        Provide immediate context is bad. Got it.

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                                        • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                                          If you have additional information that contradicts it, I’d happy to see it. I don’t live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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                                          nouveau_burnswick@lemmy.world
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                                          Source for that quote: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/secularism-francois-legault-bill-21-notwithstanding-clause-9.6931641

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