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Quebec to ban religious symbols in daycare centres

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  • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

    This image released in September 2013 by a minority PQ government shows a proposal for types of religious clothing allowed and not allowed for public workers under Quebec’s proposed ‘charter of values.’ (The Associated Press/Quebec government)

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    If you have additional information that contradicts it, I’d happy to see it. I don’t live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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    • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      I’m conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn’t it restrict ALL religious symbols? I’m all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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      greddan@feddit.org
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      I mean the Yahweh cult and it’s different sects (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) comes from an ancient middle-eastern religion. It’s also the deadliest and most violent cult/ideology in the history of mankind. Wearing a cross, star or moon is pretty much the same thing as wearing a swastika, except maybe worse.

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      • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

        If you have additional information that contradicts it, I’d happy to see it. I don’t live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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        psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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        I don’t, and i don’t live in canada, nor i care about the politics too much, that’s why i’m here to see what’s up, and i find taking an 2013 image from the government proposal at the time and without context is a bit disingenuous.

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        • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

          I don’t, and i don’t live in canada, nor i care about the politics too much, that’s why i’m here to see what’s up, and i find taking an 2013 image from the government proposal at the time and without context is a bit disingenuous.

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          I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

          But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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          • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

            I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

            But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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            psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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            Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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            • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

              Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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              I linked to the article!

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              • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

                But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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                icytrees@sh.itjust.works
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                The bill is still being debated in the supreme court. A timeline with more details and updates can be found here: https://ccla.org/major-cases-and-reports/bill-21/

                That said, the Quebec government has been pretty fucking hostile to people who wear religious symbols. The original article frames it as residual tensions from the French Catholic chuch but a big part of it is definitely xenophobia and racism. Montreal and Quebec City are progressive havens in a land of very small, very white, very religious towns.

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                • I icytrees@sh.itjust.works

                  The bill is still being debated in the supreme court. A timeline with more details and updates can be found here: https://ccla.org/major-cases-and-reports/bill-21/

                  That said, the Quebec government has been pretty fucking hostile to people who wear religious symbols. The original article frames it as residual tensions from the French Catholic chuch but a big part of it is definitely xenophobia and racism. Montreal and Quebec City are progressive havens in a land of very small, very white, very religious towns.

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                  Thank you - this is what I’m here for.

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                  • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                    I linked to the article!

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                    psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                    Yes but i have to scroll waaaaay down to the picture only to find it is a picture from waaaay back. I’m not saying you are, but i often find people who have the intention to mislead tend to post it this way.

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                    • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

                      Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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                      mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      appropriate username

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                      • K Krudler

                        How’s this going to fly for indigenous symbols?

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                        mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #26

                        Their cultural symbols and practices are protected under Federal Law.

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                        • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          I’m Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don’t believe religious symbols belong in a child’s daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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                          mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          Education and religion are inherently incompatible. If I saw my children’s teachers wearing a cross, I’d question their ability to actually do their job, especially in the Sciences.

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                          • mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.comM mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                            appropriate username

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                            Avid Amoeba
                            wrote on last edited by avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
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                            More like annoying_attitude. ValueSub deserves better.

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                            • G greddan@feddit.org

                              I mean the Yahweh cult and it’s different sects (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) comes from an ancient middle-eastern religion. It’s also the deadliest and most violent cult/ideology in the history of mankind. Wearing a cross, star or moon is pretty much the same thing as wearing a swastika, except maybe worse.

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                              jillyb@beehaw.org
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                              Hey look, me at 16

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                              • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                More like annoying_attitude. ValueSub deserves better.

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                                psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                                Provide immediate context is bad. Got it.

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                                  If you have additional information that contradicts it, I’d happy to see it. I don’t live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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                                  nouveau_burnswick@lemmy.world
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                                  Source for that quote: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/secularism-francois-legault-bill-21-notwithstanding-clause-9.6931641

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                                  • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    I’m conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn’t it restrict ALL religious symbols? I’m all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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                                    rozodru
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                                    It’s Quebec. they love to pick and choose their hate. yes it’s specifically targeted towards Muslims, no they wont’ remove Christian symbols, yes Quebec has always been pithy like this.

                                    Remember back in the 90s when they wanted to ditch us but keep the money? this is just more pithy Quebecois bullshit.

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                                    • J jillyb@beehaw.org

                                      Hey look, me at 16

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                                      Hey look, me at 13

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                                      • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        I’m Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don’t believe religious symbols belong in a child’s daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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                                        dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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                                        This legislation unfairly targets Muslims, in particular women.

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                                        • M montreal_metro@lemmy.ca

                                          The giant cross on the top of Mount Royal is a religious symbol too so they should remove it asap.

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                                          dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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                                          It’s not a daycare though. Neither is the oratory.

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