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Quebec to ban religious symbols in daycare centres

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  • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

    Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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    Value Subtracted
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    #21

    I linked to the article!

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    • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

      I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

      But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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      icytrees@sh.itjust.works
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      #22

      The bill is still being debated in the supreme court. A timeline with more details and updates can be found here: https://ccla.org/major-cases-and-reports/bill-21/

      That said, the Quebec government has been pretty fucking hostile to people who wear religious symbols. The original article frames it as residual tensions from the French Catholic chuch but a big part of it is definitely xenophobia and racism. Montreal and Quebec City are progressive havens in a land of very small, very white, very religious towns.

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      • I icytrees@sh.itjust.works

        The bill is still being debated in the supreme court. A timeline with more details and updates can be found here: https://ccla.org/major-cases-and-reports/bill-21/

        That said, the Quebec government has been pretty fucking hostile to people who wear religious symbols. The original article frames it as residual tensions from the French Catholic chuch but a big part of it is definitely xenophobia and racism. Montreal and Quebec City are progressive havens in a land of very small, very white, very religious towns.

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        wrote on last edited by
        #23

        Thank you - this is what I’m here for.

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        • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

          I linked to the article!

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          psx_crab@lemmy.zip
          wrote on last edited by
          #24

          Yes but i have to scroll waaaaay down to the picture only to find it is a picture from waaaay back. I’m not saying you are, but i often find people who have the intention to mislead tend to post it this way.

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          • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

            Again, i don’t really care, i’m providing context you purposely left out.

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            mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            wrote on last edited by
            #25

            appropriate username

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            • K Krudler

              How’s this going to fly for indigenous symbols?

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              mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              wrote on last edited by mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              #26

              Their cultural symbols and practices are protected under Federal Law.

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              • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                I’m Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don’t believe religious symbols belong in a child’s daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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                mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                wrote on last edited by
                #27

                Education and religion are inherently incompatible. If I saw my children’s teachers wearing a cross, I’d question their ability to actually do their job, especially in the Sciences.

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                • mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.comM mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  appropriate username

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                  Avid Amoeba
                  wrote on last edited by avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
                  #28

                  More like annoying_attitude. ValueSub deserves better.

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                  • G greddan@feddit.org

                    I mean the Yahweh cult and it’s different sects (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) comes from an ancient middle-eastern religion. It’s also the deadliest and most violent cult/ideology in the history of mankind. Wearing a cross, star or moon is pretty much the same thing as wearing a swastika, except maybe worse.

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                    jillyb@beehaw.org
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                    Hey look, me at 16

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                    • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                      More like annoying_attitude. ValueSub deserves better.

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                      psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                      #30

                      Provide immediate context is bad. Got it.

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                      • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                        If you have additional information that contradicts it, I’d happy to see it. I don’t live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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                        nouveau_burnswick@lemmy.world
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                        Source for that quote: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/secularism-francois-legault-bill-21-notwithstanding-clause-9.6931641

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                        • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          I’m conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn’t it restrict ALL religious symbols? I’m all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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                          rozodru
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                          It’s Quebec. they love to pick and choose their hate. yes it’s specifically targeted towards Muslims, no they wont’ remove Christian symbols, yes Quebec has always been pithy like this.

                          Remember back in the 90s when they wanted to ditch us but keep the money? this is just more pithy Quebecois bullshit.

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                          • J jillyb@beehaw.org

                            Hey look, me at 16

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                            chloroken@lemmy.ml
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                            Hey look, me at 13

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                            • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              I’m Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don’t believe religious symbols belong in a child’s daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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                              dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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                              #34

                              This legislation unfairly targets Muslims, in particular women.

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                              • M montreal_metro@lemmy.ca

                                The giant cross on the top of Mount Royal is a religious symbol too so they should remove it asap.

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                                dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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                                #35

                                It’s not a daycare though. Neither is the oratory.

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                                • mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.comM mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  Their cultural symbols and practices are protected under Federal Law.

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                                  dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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                                  #36

                                  Freedom of expression is also protected under federal law.

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                                  • K Krudler

                                    Other than Manitoba, it’s the most racist and intolerant province I’ve lived in.

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                                    tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                                    Never heard this one. Care to explain on it ?

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                                    • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                      Never heard this one. Care to explain on it ?

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                                      Krudler
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #38

                                      Well now you’ve heard it. That’s your explanation - don’t play dumb, it’s not becoming.

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                                      • K Krudler

                                        Well now you’ve heard it. That’s your explanation - don’t play dumb, it’s not becoming.

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                                        tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                                        #39

                                        No. I’m genuinely interested by your take. I’m all in to say that Quebec is one of the most racist province but I want (liked) some external experience

                                        Edit: also I’ve heard Quebec is racist as Alberta but never as Manitoba

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                                        • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                                          I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

                                          But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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                                          k_rol
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                                          Just underneath that picture it says it was not implemented.

                                          In 2013, a minority PQ government proposed the notorious “charter of Quebec values,” aiming to ban religious symbols for public servants, but it went nowhere after the PQ lost the 2014 election.

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