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BioShock creator says "audiences reward" single-player games that don't have "other methods of monetization," like Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, and Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

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  • S saigot@lemmy.ca

    Who buys them?

    • People who dont game buying a present who just go “oh deluxe version, not that much more expensive, lets treat them”
    • wealthy people that just pick the priciest option
    • people with completitionist tendencies
    • streamers and wannabe streamers for whom the extra cost is a trivial operating expense
    • children and others that dont understand the value of a dollar
    • people whose primary draw to the game is the photomode
    • “i like game, I want more game therefore I pay more” (yes this logic is terrible when applied to microtransactions)
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    slightlyincandescent@lemmy.world
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    The type of monetisation that especially confuses me as a guy brought up on pre-internet era gaming is any kind of pay to win. You’re buying a game then paying extra money so you don’t have to then go through the tedious task of actually playing the game.

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    • R rozodru@lemmy.world

      I started playing warframe recently. Yes it’s free to play, yes there’s monetization, but I feel it’s one of those games you really don’t need to buy anything for. you can pretty much obtain everything via grinding. I can see how that wouldn’t appeal to a lot of people today but I used to play everquest and anarchy online etc so I know about the grind and I don’t mind it.

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      maalus@lemmy.world
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      #57

      The thing about Warframe is it tempts you but doesn’t force you to buy. You can sell your time to people who paid actual money, and then buy things you want for that money. The only issue with Warframe is the fomo - them locking warframes behind relics that are “deprecated”. Sometimes they unearth them again, but it’s an artificial attempt at “I need to buy this or it is gone”.

      Also the process of getting parts is 100% gambling on low odds. You can get lucky immediately or have to “reroll” by running the same relic over and over and over again. It sucks if you want a very specific thing and often leads to people just buying it outright.

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      • S supernight52@lemmy.world

        This describes just about all Paradox games made in the past 15 years, sadly. They release with a barebones concept, then slowly drip-feed content for 5-30 bucks a pop, each one usually sitting at “Mostly Negative” because it doesn’t fundamentally add or change anything most of the time, and the times it does- meh. Crusader Kings 2 was my bread and butter for a long time. Played Crusader Kings 3, and it felt like almost every helpful mechanic that existed in CK2 was stripped, and then added on again over the course of years. It was so infuriating, that I just don’t buy their titles anymore.

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        sorryquick@lemmy.ca
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        It really sucks cause their gamea are really good too and nobody else makes anything like that, so we’re stuck dealing with paradox’s crap. Same story with the total war games.

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        • M maalus@lemmy.world

          The thing about Warframe is it tempts you but doesn’t force you to buy. You can sell your time to people who paid actual money, and then buy things you want for that money. The only issue with Warframe is the fomo - them locking warframes behind relics that are “deprecated”. Sometimes they unearth them again, but it’s an artificial attempt at “I need to buy this or it is gone”.

          Also the process of getting parts is 100% gambling on low odds. You can get lucky immediately or have to “reroll” by running the same relic over and over and over again. It sucks if you want a very specific thing and often leads to people just buying it outright.

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          manticore@lemmy.nz
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          The community is very open about warframe.market existing though. Like an auction house for player trading across all servers. So if your relics drop bad items. Sell them on the market until you can eventually buy the one you want.

          Other games do thinks like soulbound/account bound stuff. Not everything in WF is tradable, but most things are

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          • S saigot@lemmy.ca

            I love the game, but I’d like to point out that baldur’s gate 3 does have a single microtransaction, it gives you a custom dice skin, a tie in item from divinity original sin and a bunch of low level potions. It costs 12CAD.

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            the_ferry@lemmy.world
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            I will point out that this is mainly just a way to get the free preorder bonus though, and has no real gameplay effects. The dlc also contains a digital artbook, digital soundtrack and some character sheets. I feel like that is quite a bit more than the normal micro transactions, though I still somewhat see your point

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              steal_your_face@lemmy.ml
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              #61

              Nice, now release Judas 😠

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              • J jankatarch@lemmy.world

                Wish granted, but it’s just 30 dlcs each around a full-game price and you gotta wait til they go on sale for $1 once every year at a random time.

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                sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                So, I’ve got steam wishlist items going into the third grade this year. I can wait.

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                  slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works
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                  #63

                  He’s right

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                  • S slightlyincandescent@lemmy.world

                    The type of monetisation that especially confuses me as a guy brought up on pre-internet era gaming is any kind of pay to win. You’re buying a game then paying extra money so you don’t have to then go through the tedious task of actually playing the game.

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                    wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
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                    #64

                    The same thing has always confused me about CCGs. Why spend hundreds of dollars to be able to play them at all, when you can just get Dominion and know that the game is both fair and varied?

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                    • yardratiansoma@lemmy.caY yardratiansoma@lemmy.ca

                      At the very least, you can still pirate it and play cracked multiplayer with friends.

                      I made the mistake of buying the game year ago, and bought a bunch of DLC at 50% or greater sales, and now the sunken cost fallacy has taken hold on me, and I still want to buy more . . . . (at least I’m broke so I can’t right now hehehaha)

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                      sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works
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                      #65

                      The game files are already downloaded in the steam version at least. One could, hypothetically, unlock those dlcs even on a normal copy. Steam would have no way too detect that either. Supposedly. In Minecraft.

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                      • T the_ferry@lemmy.world

                        I will point out that this is mainly just a way to get the free preorder bonus though, and has no real gameplay effects. The dlc also contains a digital artbook, digital soundtrack and some character sheets. I feel like that is quite a bit more than the normal micro transactions, though I still somewhat see your point

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                        dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        Let’s not forget about the two extra bard songs, which was the only reason I got it lol.

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                        • steve@communick.newsS steve@communick.news

                          I miss EverCrack.
                          Not the actual mechanics, things have come a long way since then. But the concepts. No end game. Mobs that take 100+ people all day to take down. And that last piece of armor you want, has a 2% drop rate off them. And even when it does drop, there are 10 of your class who wants it, and you have to work out who gets it. Levels took so long nobody worried about getting to cap, and just hung out. The grind and the community were the point. Not the next piece of gear.

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                          kingpoiuy@lemmy.world
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                          Every few years I fire up project99 and it’s glorious. I’ve been resisting simply because I want to get real life stuff done.

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                          • M maalus@lemmy.world

                            The thing about Warframe is it tempts you but doesn’t force you to buy. You can sell your time to people who paid actual money, and then buy things you want for that money. The only issue with Warframe is the fomo - them locking warframes behind relics that are “deprecated”. Sometimes they unearth them again, but it’s an artificial attempt at “I need to buy this or it is gone”.

                            Also the process of getting parts is 100% gambling on low odds. You can get lucky immediately or have to “reroll” by running the same relic over and over and over again. It sucks if you want a very specific thing and often leads to people just buying it outright.

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                            paddzr@lemmy.world
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                            There is very little FOMO in warframe. The unsealing you speak of is a rotation due to the game having over a thousand of things to unlock so farming specific weapon part when you need 5 parts would be very difficult. It’s there to limit the pool. If you want something specific? That’s what trade is for.

                            Relic system is quite fair but you do need to somewhat understand the full system to see it.

                            The one thing that WF does fairly annoyingly are weapon slots. You have to buy them off the market with platinum so either you buy it at 75% discount or trade prime parts to get it. A single gold part will be worth more than the 2 weapon slot but it’s the one example that makes you “spend money”.

                            I’m playing since closed beta and have thousands of hours, got my wife and son into it. I must’ve spent maybe £300 in total (maybe more) to show my support, but I could’ve easily just done trading and bought all the cosmetics I wanted that way too.

                            WF makes you spend money on things you want to, not need to. No bullshit paid for battle pass or battle pass paid for skips etc.

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                            • E evotech@lemmy.world

                              Gamers reward good games

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                              paddzr@lemmy.world
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                              Exactly. You make good MMORPG and money will come in droves too. Same for RPG or fuck it, even poker game on crack. Just make good games, but it’s not as easy as it sounds… No one just clicks “make game bad” and often the Microtransactions are dictated by whatever publishing deal they have.

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                              • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubB bdonvr@thelemmy.club

                                I think it’s a bit more nuanced - for example MMOs. But for the most part yeah.

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                                flames5123@sh.itjust.works
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                                Exactly. With my FFXIV subscription, I’m storing actual data that can be accessed any time (houses/rooms/apartments), and they provide quarterly updates and events.

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                                • P paddzr@lemmy.world

                                  There is very little FOMO in warframe. The unsealing you speak of is a rotation due to the game having over a thousand of things to unlock so farming specific weapon part when you need 5 parts would be very difficult. It’s there to limit the pool. If you want something specific? That’s what trade is for.

                                  Relic system is quite fair but you do need to somewhat understand the full system to see it.

                                  The one thing that WF does fairly annoyingly are weapon slots. You have to buy them off the market with platinum so either you buy it at 75% discount or trade prime parts to get it. A single gold part will be worth more than the 2 weapon slot but it’s the one example that makes you “spend money”.

                                  I’m playing since closed beta and have thousands of hours, got my wife and son into it. I must’ve spent maybe £300 in total (maybe more) to show my support, but I could’ve easily just done trading and bought all the cosmetics I wanted that way too.

                                  WF makes you spend money on things you want to, not need to. No bullshit paid for battle pass or battle pass paid for skips etc.

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                                  maalus@lemmy.world
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                                  Sealing / unsealing is 100% FOMO and I have seen people go “Ivara Prime is out now I need to play Warframe”. You can easily setup a system where you choose a rotation to go for when choosing a mission. It wouldn’t even split the playerbase since it only affects the rewards at the end. But they don’t, they do this song and dance about removing and bringing back specific weapons and warframes.

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                                    alexc@lemmy.world
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                                    This is because we feel we paid for something that expects nothing in return.

                                    When you pay for a game that includes add ons and microtransactions, all of a sudden we‘re back to being a marketing target, and we implicitly know we‘re pushed to spend money.

                                    We play games to escape the real world…

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                                    • E evotech@lemmy.world

                                      Gamers reward good games

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                                      scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      Unfortunately, they also reward bad games.

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                                      • A alexc@lemmy.world

                                        This is because we feel we paid for something that expects nothing in return.

                                        When you pay for a game that includes add ons and microtransactions, all of a sudden we‘re back to being a marketing target, and we implicitly know we‘re pushed to spend money.

                                        We play games to escape the real world…

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                                        thewriteraleph@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                        More than that. When you buy a game with microtransactions in it, you’re volunteering to be a marketing target and paying for the privilege. Publishers aren’t trying to get everyone to buy mtx, only the people who bought the game. You’re giving them money and saying, “yes, I want to be targeted, please.”

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                                          grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip
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                                          There’s a difference between a game made with passion and a game by EA/Ubisoft.

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