My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
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I'm not going to talk about Bluesky anymore for a bit, but I know folks are coming back here after hanging out there for a while, and I want to encourage Fedi users not to gloat, not to be jerks about it.
And if you're just (re)joining us on Fedi, like all affinity groups, you're going to run into enthusiasts who are gloating, but I promise most of us are just happy you're here and want to help make this place awesome for you.
@vkc bluesky is no different than twitter. even if its leadership might be a bit better, it's still a proprietary site, and i don't care what anyone says about that. better to use fedi. you're still handing all your data and opsec over to an entity that you can't trust with either.
who do you trust more with your data? an american corporation called bluesky, or the cat-eared furry running your local friendly mastodon instance? i know which one i trust.
edit: and to be clear, i trust the furry.
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc I remember this being an issue with Twitter lists, too. I might be misremembering, but I seem to recall it being public info the names of the lists others had added you to, so even if your account was private, someone could figure out a lot of information about you just based on how others “categorized” or “labeled” you.
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@vkc @mkj @draeand ClearSky https://clearsky.app collects the blocked accounts on from AT Protocol (Bluesky) data feeds, and it will show that data for publicly visible accounts.
Data is only hidden for those accounts that have been set to be visible for only the logged-in Bluesky users (even though the data itself is still publicly accessible via other AT Protocol tools, even from those "hidden" accounts).
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I'm not going to talk about Bluesky anymore for a bit, but I know folks are coming back here after hanging out there for a while, and I want to encourage Fedi users not to gloat, not to be jerks about it.
And if you're just (re)joining us on Fedi, like all affinity groups, you're going to run into enthusiasts who are gloating, but I promise most of us are just happy you're here and want to help make this place awesome for you.
Hoping “sad sighing” =/= “gloating” but yes I will endeavor to heed these logical words.
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc they do not handle it well and the result is that this information is often weaponized or at the very least, used in malicious block lists intentionally mislabeled, with the purpose of getting well intentioned users to block people who they actually align with.
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
I searched for and blocked ICE on Bluesky BECAUSE I'd seen posts here saying the blocklist is public. (I have a BS account, but only use it to follow, not to post).
Yes, this involves some (probably remote) risk to myself. But a. I wanted to stand up and be counted and b. the more people on that blocklist, the harder it is to analyse and use the data.
So yes, be aware the blocklist is public. But this doesn't necessarily mean don't block. Especially if you're outside the US
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc I can see this to be one of the data points for agencies like border control and FBI
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc bsky are the baddies now?
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc wow ive never thought of that its such a good point o_O
My main problem with blocks being public is that if the one whos blocked has bpd abandonment issues then knowing they are blocked could kill them...
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc I have always found it very weird to have a blocklist public. Some thing has always smelled a bit with Bluesky for me.
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I'm not going to talk about Bluesky anymore for a bit, but I know folks are coming back here after hanging out there for a while, and I want to encourage Fedi users not to gloat, not to be jerks about it.
And if you're just (re)joining us on Fedi, like all affinity groups, you're going to run into enthusiasts who are gloating, but I promise most of us are just happy you're here and want to help make this place awesome for you.
Also, newbies or returnees: it's gotten better since you left! Cool new features!
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I'm not going to talk about Bluesky anymore for a bit, but I know folks are coming back here after hanging out there for a while, and I want to encourage Fedi users not to gloat, not to be jerks about it.
And if you're just (re)joining us on Fedi, like all affinity groups, you're going to run into enthusiasts who are gloating, but I promise most of us are just happy you're here and want to help make this place awesome for you.
@vkc I want to second this & maybe raise the volume on it, as I definitely am glad to see more people here, including from any platform, so if I spot you as a full newbie or returner, feel free to ask me anything on things here& if I can't help you direct, odds are I can & will refer you to someone who can!
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc It's a metric, public or not, captured by the server. Not looked at, sold to others, doesn't matter, they can be bent in any number of directions and magnified with AI. Everyone will have to stand by their own metrics.
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@crazyeddie @Wraithe @vkc @niko It's not blocklists, it's the ability for someone with a basic plugin/extension/whathaveyou to look at any given account and see at least some of the block data. I know people over there with plugins that show block counts of people interacting with them, stuff like that. Nothing to do with published blocklists.
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I'm not going to talk about Bluesky anymore for a bit, but I know folks are coming back here after hanging out there for a while, and I want to encourage Fedi users not to gloat, not to be jerks about it.
And if you're just (re)joining us on Fedi, like all affinity groups, you're going to run into enthusiasts who are gloating, but I promise most of us are just happy you're here and want to help make this place awesome for you.
@vkc I feel that Bsky and and here serve very different purposes (at least for me) in the olden days I had carefully segregated platforms to purposes for me. the everybody wants to do the same part got to me relatively late. I am happy to sort media use cases, but I appreciate the advice, bc I had not clocked that bit (relatively new to the "dataheists-wtf-crowd")
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I'm not going to talk about Bluesky anymore for a bit, but I know folks are coming back here after hanging out there for a while, and I want to encourage Fedi users not to gloat, not to be jerks about it.
And if you're just (re)joining us on Fedi, like all affinity groups, you're going to run into enthusiasts who are gloating, but I promise most of us are just happy you're here and want to help make this place awesome for you.
@vkc amen! (Still, I stopped mirroring my posts to Bsky as a statement)
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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"
I'm glad you asked.
"Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.
If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.
Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.
@vkc rarely have to block on Mastodon.
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@vkc and that's also why #ChatControl is just abysmally and morally wrong.
If the government (or any one entity with sufficient power over our every day life) has access to your social connections and messages you can be sure it'll only be a matter of time before they will selectively restrict minorities...... and everyone else whose opinions and actions they dislike.
Chatcontrol is right out of the authoritarian playbook 101 and must be stopped.
