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  • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

    So, you are asking me to provide you screenshots of a usenet form from the late 90s?

    What the FUCK is wrong with you?

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    Communist
    wrote on last edited by communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
    #160

    Any evidence that this has happened to anyone, ever, yes.

    you are obviously lying.

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    • S sinadjetivos@lemmy.world

      Linux adopter in the late 90s, early 00s

      Oof, I 100% understand why you have the emotional response to it that you do. A good part of the community back then were hella toxic, and even now, 20+ years later, it’s not that much better. That coupled with the enshittification of search and the death of many of those spaces for help, forums, etc. that I would argue results in a similar level of difficulty, albeit a somewhat different flavor.

      But

      As yesterday’s empires continue to self-cannibalize it’s highly likely that Linux is going to be the only safe and functional option in the relatively near future. While I understand personally not wanting anything to do with it, you will very likely need to make at least one Linux friend who can help you with those needs.

      Undirected rage commenting is not the way.

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      Angry_Autist (he/him)
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      Firstly, thank you for being the first sane human response to my post, sincerely.

      Second, a good amount of my rage is medical, Intermittent Explosive Disorder (what a fucking unfortunate but appropriate acronym). Wikipedia can tell you more if you are interested

      And I agree, we NEED a safe open source option, just the fractured landscape of infinite vanity distros doesn’t create that, it just creates ten million more safety concerns.

      And I used to have a linux friend, literally the most brilliant person I’ve ever known and he drank himself to death at the age of 24. I know that’s irrelevant to the story but I’m drunk, emotional, and as mentioned medically angry nearly all the time.

      Also I’d like to feel my rage is precision-directed. Linux has lost its way long ago and it isn’t event trying to get back on track, if I glower at enough devs maybe they’ll shift the culture because asking nicely sure as fuck hasn’t worked

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      • C consumptionone@sopuli.xyz

        Unless their hardware doesn’t support it. A lot of people are going to be tossing out perfectly good systems because they don’t have a TPM.

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        newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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        You can bypass that requirement. The hardware is fine you just have to tell windows to ignore it.

        2 registry keys if I remember correctly.

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          echolynx@lemmy.zip
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          Glad to be part of a trend, for a change!

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          • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

            Only for servers, and of course the fact that you are dishonest about the metric just reinforces all I feel towards your ilk

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            offspec@lemmy.world
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            I’m not going to pretend I’ve been a Linux purist my entire life or anything. The landscape for daily driving desktop Linux was really rough in the time period you described attempting to migrate, but I had Linux laptops assigned to each kid in my school circa 2007 and that ignited my interest in the platform. My father was an enthusiast and build a safe environment for me to experiment as a kid when I otherwise would have been out of my depth. I had a Linux box, usually an Ubuntu derivative, around pretty much continuously from 2012-2017 which would have been pre-uni for me and served as just an environment I could easily play with making small web projects and Minecraft mods and whatnot. But I gamed on windows for most of that time. I think when proton hit I failed to install arch and bounced over to Manjaro which was my main gaming distro untill maybe ~2021 when I got tired of things breaking because of the aur and just migrated to arch using the arch install script came out and I was able to set it up trivially. Since then it’s been pretty much “it just works” level compatibility, there are some niche things about my setup that are a little more complicated like some networked pulseaudio stuff and a bunch of development tools I need for work at this point, but overall I have my wife running fedora on her laptop and using a steam deck in desktop mode at her desk and she generally is able to do her schooling and whatnot without issue. I think the only real program she has issues with is an examination specific browser that she has to use another machine in the house for. I have not daily driven windows for the better part of the last decade and while I definitely have frustrations with no great CAD solution and the antagonistic relationship with publishers like EA and Epic Games, I also just am able to play my friendslop and souls games without any issues at all. I’m sorry you had negative experiences with the community, but it’s kinda weird to direct your negative feelings for the losers that gatekept you at the entire platform, particularly when the platform grossly outsizes this particular niche and it’s through the support of countless open source developers that we have the ability to do anything outside of the scope of Windows spyware or the fenced garden that is MacOS.

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            • O offspec@lemmy.world

              I’m not going to pretend I’ve been a Linux purist my entire life or anything. The landscape for daily driving desktop Linux was really rough in the time period you described attempting to migrate, but I had Linux laptops assigned to each kid in my school circa 2007 and that ignited my interest in the platform. My father was an enthusiast and build a safe environment for me to experiment as a kid when I otherwise would have been out of my depth. I had a Linux box, usually an Ubuntu derivative, around pretty much continuously from 2012-2017 which would have been pre-uni for me and served as just an environment I could easily play with making small web projects and Minecraft mods and whatnot. But I gamed on windows for most of that time. I think when proton hit I failed to install arch and bounced over to Manjaro which was my main gaming distro untill maybe ~2021 when I got tired of things breaking because of the aur and just migrated to arch using the arch install script came out and I was able to set it up trivially. Since then it’s been pretty much “it just works” level compatibility, there are some niche things about my setup that are a little more complicated like some networked pulseaudio stuff and a bunch of development tools I need for work at this point, but overall I have my wife running fedora on her laptop and using a steam deck in desktop mode at her desk and she generally is able to do her schooling and whatnot without issue. I think the only real program she has issues with is an examination specific browser that she has to use another machine in the house for. I have not daily driven windows for the better part of the last decade and while I definitely have frustrations with no great CAD solution and the antagonistic relationship with publishers like EA and Epic Games, I also just am able to play my friendslop and souls games without any issues at all. I’m sorry you had negative experiences with the community, but it’s kinda weird to direct your negative feelings for the losers that gatekept you at the entire platform, particularly when the platform grossly outsizes this particular niche and it’s through the support of countless open source developers that we have the ability to do anything outside of the scope of Windows spyware or the fenced garden that is MacOS.

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              Angry_Autist (he/him)
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              … worse than fucking vegans…

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              • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                It’s important to me for linux users to know how much I despise them

                No one is more bitter than a disillusioned ex-believer, and I tried so hard to be an early Linux adopter in the late 90s, early 00s. I was bright eyed and full of hope for an open source future.

                Spent 3 years trying to transition to linux as my daily driver, and every time I tried it was just days of frustration and every time I tried to go to any of the various linux forums at the time, all I got in return was literally hundreds of users telling me to read a list of books before I had the right to ask questions.

                This happened EVERY FUCKDAMN place I went, forums, usenet, IRC, even oldschool bulletin boards

                The worst part about the experience is that the environment is so fractured that every distro is basically it’s own unique thing, with quirks and differences that aren’t apparent to people who haven’t been using them for years already, and that everyone is so fuckdamn hard on depreciating still used functions or just renaming fucking functions for vanity sake

                So past forum posts are likely just not going to be helpful anymore, which is a really fucking ridiculous design choice when one of the primary project goals is ubiquitous interoperability and long term support.

                Linux is a waste of human energy. Can you even imagine the hundreds of millions of human development hours that went into failed distros and vanity changes being actually used to make one unified fucking amazing OS?

                The original dream was a community of dedicated and passionate devs working together to unseat corporate software control

                Instead what we got was a thousand fractured groups all doing whatever the fuck they feel like and now you need a fuckdamn college course to figure out which of the thousand distros are for you

                Fuck linux

                Fuck the people who promote it

                That is all

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                squiddork@lemmy.world
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                Damn dude, sucks you’re stupid.

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                • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                  When I called out the bots on reddit, I got banned from reddit, when I called out the bots on twitter, I got shadowbanned from twitter

                  Guess I’m past due for lemmy.

                  If there is even a human handler behind this account, I want you to know: in my line of work I’ve been adjacent to AI tech since the early 90s when it was just modeling roach neurons on supercomputer clusters, I have seen a FUCKTONNE of AI output, a metric fucktonne. And you start to see patterns and word choices, strange characters and modes of speech. Add on top of that I’ve been terminally online since AOL still shipped free CDs, and a voracious reader so I’ve ALSO been exposed to a fucktonne of human output.

                  And just like that lady who can smell Parkinsons, I can smell AI output

                  And while you must have had an interesting header for the slang and tone, you can’t escape the phrasing and character usage.

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                  archonet@lemy.lol
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                  well, this is the first time I’ve ever been accused of being an AI, but you can believe whatever makes you happy. It’s no skin off my ass. Personally, I think you’re just intentionally being dense and found there wasn’t any fault you could pick with my original post to champion your original point of “linux bad”, and you instead just decided being a dick and calling me a bot was a decent out. which, for the record, fuck you kindly for suggesting I only write as well as ChatGPT, even a comparison to Claude would be less insulting. But that’s fine, I still forgive you. I just think that’s a terribly sad way to go about interacting with others.

                  I hope someday you become a tranquil autist, or at least only a moderately irritated one. Because I can’t fathom yours, as it is, being a satisfying way to socialize; nevermind an effective one to change anyone else’s opinion on Linux or any other topic. Take care.

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                  • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                    They all can upgrade to win 11. Nothing is stopping them. But you have to do a couple of steps.

                    Either way, Linux is better and Microsoft is playing stupid games.

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                    loudwhisper@infosec.pub
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                    Not in all cases. My desktop PC came with windows professional (10), back in 2021. Upgrading to windows 11 is not included for free (not even to windows 11 “basic”), I need to pay a new license.

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                    • codeblooded@programming.devC codeblooded@programming.dev

                      I left Debian for Arch recently and let me tell you, you immediately feel the difference with running the latest drivers for your machine. The bleeding edge drivers have upped my frames per second significantly in videos games compared to sticking with stable releases on Debian (and Ubuntu).

                      With the built-in archinstall script making Arch so easy to get going, I’d only reach for anything else if I really needed the stability.

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                      who
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                      #169

                      For anyone else reading this who plans to use Debian Stable for gaming, you really should enable Stable Backports. This gives you the option of newer drivers, kernel, etc. (you pick what you need individually) without having to give up the low-maintenance stability of the base system.

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                      • S serenesadie@lemmy.myserv.one

                        I do a lot more than that, so, hard pass.

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                        Nik282000
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                        #170

                        Is it all in your browser, because pretty much everything is a web app now.

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                        • A archonet@lemy.lol

                          well, this is the first time I’ve ever been accused of being an AI, but you can believe whatever makes you happy. It’s no skin off my ass. Personally, I think you’re just intentionally being dense and found there wasn’t any fault you could pick with my original post to champion your original point of “linux bad”, and you instead just decided being a dick and calling me a bot was a decent out. which, for the record, fuck you kindly for suggesting I only write as well as ChatGPT, even a comparison to Claude would be less insulting. But that’s fine, I still forgive you. I just think that’s a terribly sad way to go about interacting with others.

                          I hope someday you become a tranquil autist, or at least only a moderately irritated one. Because I can’t fathom yours, as it is, being a satisfying way to socialize; nevermind an effective one to change anyone else’s opinion on Linux or any other topic. Take care.

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                          Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                          And the handler shows up for damage control

                          Just for fun maybe compare both of your comments and maybe you can tell me the differences in phrasing and character usage. There might even be a small prize for you.

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                          • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                            What fucking community are we in?

                            Certainly not ‘c/SERVERGaming’

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                            loudwhisper@infosec.pub
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                            Well, you did call it a “failed experiment”, that doesn’t sound right when it is the most used OS on the planet, on supercomputers, on servers, on phones.

                            People answered with a broad response to a broad statement.

                            Anyway, if this rage is medically induced and this topic seems to trigger you, why not blocking it? I think you can see how you are not going to convince anybody that your experience 20-30 years ago with Linux is applicable today, especially when people with 0 tech skills manage to daily drive a Linux dietro or use it for gaming. So why doing this to yourself?

                            Researching IED, avoidance for “situations that upset you” seems to be one of the few recommended prevention mechanisms. You will get banned anyway eventually from the community, why not just blocking it in advance?

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                            • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                              You can bypass that requirement. The hardware is fine you just have to tell windows to ignore it.

                              2 registry keys if I remember correctly.

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                              JackbyDev
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                              Windows also said they don’t support it and may stop it from working at any time. I have already had a problem because Windows System Image tried to restore something as UEFI when I only had BIOS so forcing my BIOS system to something that technically only supports UEFI seems like an awful idea.

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                              • L loudwhisper@infosec.pub

                                Not in all cases. My desktop PC came with windows professional (10), back in 2021. Upgrading to windows 11 is not included for free (not even to windows 11 “basic”), I need to pay a new license.

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                                newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                                You still can upgrade for free and use a registry setting to take off the nag screen.

                                But I really was commenting on people who think they can’t. You can too by buying windows11.

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                                • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                                  what an extremely neurotypical way to respond to my medically induced outrage

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                                  JackbyDev
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                                  If you recognize your outrage is medically induced why click post? /gen

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                                  • JackbyDevJ JackbyDev

                                    Windows also said they don’t support it and may stop it from working at any time. I have already had a problem because Windows System Image tried to restore something as UEFI when I only had BIOS so forcing my BIOS system to something that technically only supports UEFI seems like an awful idea.

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                                    newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                                    Windows says lots of things. It is surprising how conflicting they are internally.

                                    The thing is, there are a lot of ways to install windows 11. You have a lot of versions to choose from and more options than you think.

                                    Anyways, I think it is all beating a dead horse, although you can get around windows requirements the best thing to do is not play the game.

                                    Switch to Linux and be done with the bullshit.

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                                    • L lightfire228@pawb.social

                                      I use arch, but they’re all equivalent. A distro is more like a preconfigured linux

                                      Just pick one of the popular ones and tinker

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                                      natenate60@lemmy.world
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                                      Arch is the one thing that should be absolutely not recommended to beginners. Even implying that it is a suitable beginner distro in any way like you have done in this comment is only likely to drive away users when they inevitably get confused.

                                      Existing Windows users mostly are not interested in even knowing of the existence of the Arch Wiki. They will just give up and conclude Linux is shit.

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                                      • S sorryquick@lemmy.ca

                                        400MB??? What do you have running? I never use more than 100 unless I open a game or something.

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                                        nuko147@lemmy.world
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                                        #178

                                        Well, screen is running at 4k, so i think its normal.

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                                        • A abettertomorrow@sh.itjust.works

                                          What’s the best Linux distro to play games? Im currently on Ubuntu 22.04 and won’t leave it as my main but I have a AMD TR 1950 with a GTX 1080 TI will to play some final fantasy.

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                                          natenate60@lemmy.world
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                                          #179

                                          Like the others have said, all major distros are fine. Ubuntu is or used to be Valve’s “favourite distro” and the package that you can get from Valve’s website is for Ubuntu. That being said, software on Linux should be installed using the package manager (the Software Centre) and not downloaded from the Web.

                                          You may wish to upgrade to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS later. This is fairly easy (you can use the Software Updater application) but the newer versions have better drivers and newer GNOME versions which may bring better performance.

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