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  • T trainguyrom@reddthat.com

    Historically I’ve used lutris but more recently I’ve been observing more broken scripts than not. But Lutris is extremely handy for mapping to a pile of game data that I might grab from Itch for example. I also havent been gaming as much lately so maybe I’m just hitting some weird games and that’s all.

    I’ve heard good things about Heroic Launcher which apparently is actually sponsored by GOG, but I’ve yet to try it on my Linux machine

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    ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world
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    Gonna check out Heroic. Thanks for the tip

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    • K kadup

      People care a lot about macOS because you can charge users $15 for a GUI wrapper around a terminal command and they will pay and even recommend your app. I’m not even joking, there are a thousand examples of apps like this. If your app actually does anything, you can charge $30 and they will pay.

      Now on Linux you could release the cure for cancer for $0.99 and you’d get screamed at. And I say that as a Linux user. Which means you need significantly higher numbers than macOS to achieve the same revenue, which also means the companies developing the commercial software that holds back adoption of Linux will take a long while before starting to care.

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      boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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      Isn’t it the same on Windows tbh?

      The knowledgeable users on MacOS install Homebrew (or nix if being a hipster) and get most of their cool tools for that.

      With Windows, the default assumption is that the user has less money than a MacOS user so all the useless shit on Microsoft Store is cheaper than MacOS, but it’s still money for software that shouldn’t be paid.

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      • NutWrenchN NutWrench

        I tried setting up Windows 10 in a virtual machine recently and damn, what a miserable experience that was. “Please wait. We’re getting things ready . . . please wait . . . We’re getting things ready. Hey, you want Cortana? Tough shiat, we’re installing it anyway. Do you need an Office App? Well we’re going to install Live365, whether you like it or not. Also, we really want your email address. You don’t have a choice. Just give us your damn email address. And your phone number, too.”

        Installing Linux: 15 minutes later: “You’re done. Enjoy.”

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        zozano@aussie.zone
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        No to suggest that anyone should install Windows, but if you install Rufus then you can make the Window ISO skip most of the bullshit questions and TPM requirements before you write your flash drive.

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        • M megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          If the game was crashing to desktop, it was probably not a graphics card thing, but that you were running out of ram and the system was just automatically killing the program when that happened. That’s a system stability thing, it prioritizing the needs of the system and desktop over a program so as to prevent the whole system from crashing.

          The easiest solution to that is to increase the “swap” size (IE a bit of storage that gets set aside to act as back up memory). That is a system level thing, but it’s not really a big deal to change.

          If you were getting to the command line, Linux was running, although, if it was just the command line then it may have been an issue with the desktop or window manager not starting. And if it was an issue with the desktop or window manager, then I could see changing some boot loader settings fixing that. Like, making sure the boot loader automatically starts the desktop when the computer boots. not sure how you got from messing with graphics card to the system only booting in command line, but, shit happens. I’ve broken my system in weirder ways while pulling at the guts.

          By switching from cinnamon to XFCE desktop you may have solved the issue with the game crashing simply because you had more memory available, as XFCE is a much lighterweight desktop.

          If the games was slowly slowing to a crawl before freezing up completely but not outright crashing to desktop, that could have been an issue of running out of video ram for the the GPU, I’ve had that happen with helldiver’s 2. I don’t remember exactly what I did to fix that, something with the launch options that affected the graphics settings or capped the frame rate I think. Not sure how changing between desktops could have fixed that though.

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          joeffect@lemmy.world
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          Yeah xfce is what i switched to, which was easier than i expected it to be.

          No it was crashing to the login screen… randomly and frequently while playing games … I was trying to update stuff and make tweaks i messed something up and the system didn’t even recognize it had an operating system…

          I looked it up… it was the grub menu that i was finally able to get to load which helped me put things back to normal…

          It helped taking out my old 2 sticks of 8gb ram in my configuration with my teo 16 gb sticks which worked fine when i was using windows… none of the issues happened on windows so i was really trying to figure it out… i mean i did figure it out… but yeah…

          It really did not help that i was running at 120 on an ultra wide at 5120 x 1440 or whatever the resolution is… i also tried to run it at 240 but that was a horrible idea and the start of my issues…

          But yeah, its been a while so…

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          • S Steve Dice

            Just tried gaming on Linux because I forgot my Ally and was stuck on my laptop. Sorry, guys, it still sucks. It’s getting better, though. Perhaps in another 10 years.

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            buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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            Could you be more specific? I’ve had very few issues gaming on Linux and haven’t felt like I’ve been missing anything. Mind you, I do skip games with kernel anti-cheat, but that’s the only real broad category of games I know have issues.

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            • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

              Switched to linux (popos - so far so good) this month because fuck microsoft. yeah, some things aren’t perfect or require extra steps (modding, usually) but fuck microsoft. Fuck their AI shit, fuck their “recall” spyware, fuck their CEO that babbles about AI while laying off thousands of workers.

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              boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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              #255

              With Pop!_OS you should be in for a good huge update in about 2026 or so. They normally released every half year with Ubuntu, but they haven’t done a new release since the 22.04 LTS (Long Term Support) version because they’re working on their own desktop environment and it’s taking up most of the developer resources.

              So hopefully in 2026 they’ll release 26.04 with the new COSMIC DE to replace 22.04 with Gnome (with their customizations, also called ‘COSMIC’ so it gets confusing lol). I think technically they’re working on a 24.04, but at this rate I think Ubuntu 26.04 will be out around the same time or even before COSMIC is fully ready.

              So there’s a decent chance you’ll get a whole lot of improvements at once, which is cool

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              • S serenesadie@lemmy.myserv.one

                I do a lot more than that, so, hard pass.

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                omega_jimes@lemmy.ca
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                I mean, yes, but I also do dev coding work, run AI models, produce audio and video content from my machine. But years ago I adopted a ‘No BS’ software approach and rid myself of software that was deliberately getting in my way so transitioning to a fully *Nix workflow wasn’t an issue for me.

                If anyone working with aggressively anticonsumer software right now tried to switch, it’s a nightmare.

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                • L lost_faith

                  For flat games this is true, there is still work to be done for the VR side of things, even that has advanced by leaps and bounds in just the last 2 or 3 years

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                  omega_jimes@lemmy.ca
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                  Yeah that’s the biggest reason I haven’t pulled the trigger on a VR set.

                  The pace of hardware for the last few years has been crazy rapid with almost zero thought given to non-windows OS’s. The people working on reverse engineering drivers for headsets get one operable just in time for it to be out of date.

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                  • B buddahriffic@lemmy.world

                    Could you be more specific? I’ve had very few issues gaming on Linux and haven’t felt like I’ve been missing anything. Mind you, I do skip games with kernel anti-cheat, but that’s the only real broad category of games I know have issues.

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                    Steve Dice
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                    This specific time, I couldn’t synchronize my save files for GOG games. Something that is completely transparent on Windows.

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                    • A arc99@lemmy.world

                      The success of Steam Deck has helped a lot. Prior to that Linux ports tended to be very perfunctory and they weren’t tested or supported very well. I guess that now there are actual Linux gamers (via Steam Deck), that support has improved. That said, I think outside of Steam Deck and SteamOS, your experience of gaming is going to be extremely dependent on your GPU, driver support and a number of other factors. Things are far more likely to work well on Windows than they would for Linux.

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                      omega_jimes@lemmy.ca
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                      I could drill down into the work that went into DXVK before Proton came about, enabling the Steam Deck, but that’s a boring history lesson. I will concede that newer bleeding edge hardware is far more likely to be plug and play on Windows, but one of the leading reasons I transitioned was Windows removing support for the audio chipset on the motherboard for my Ryzen 1600. Every time I rebooted, I’d have to unpack a zip file and reinstall the audio drivers, it was maddening.

                      In my experience (so, totally anecdotal), my hardware is stable longer on Linux than Windows.

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                      • NutWrenchN NutWrench

                        I tried setting up Windows 10 in a virtual machine recently and damn, what a miserable experience that was. “Please wait. We’re getting things ready . . . please wait . . . We’re getting things ready. Hey, you want Cortana? Tough shiat, we’re installing it anyway. Do you need an Office App? Well we’re going to install Live365, whether you like it or not. Also, we really want your email address. You don’t have a choice. Just give us your damn email address. And your phone number, too.”

                        Installing Linux: 15 minutes later: “You’re done. Enjoy.”

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                        bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                        Haiku, 30 seconds later… Your all set

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                        • S Steve Dice

                          Just tried gaming on Linux because I forgot my Ally and was stuck on my laptop. Sorry, guys, it still sucks. It’s getting better, though. Perhaps in another 10 years.

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                          bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                          Issues were?

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                          • L lost_faith

                            For flat games this is true, there is still work to be done for the VR side of things, even that has advanced by leaps and bounds in just the last 2 or 3 years

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                            烧烤培根汉堡
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                            check out https://lvra.gitlab.io/ for information on linux VR

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                            • J JaggedRobotPubes

                              Microsoft Recall and Steam Deck and Proton are why.

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                              finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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                              #263

                              It would be so hilarious to see historians refer to the market shift as “The Great Microsoft Recall” as like a literal recall in addition to the name of the feature.

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                                benleman@lemmy.world
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                                Okay, I finally installed a new SSD yesterday so I could dual boot and put CachyOS on it. Played a few games and it worked surprisingly well.

                                But it did take quite a bit more doing than installing Windows. The USB drive wouldn’t boot when made with Rufus and I don’t quite get how to manage the games installed in Proton (like where is their virtual 😄 drive?).

                                I plan on migrating more of my stuff onto Linux in the coming days and will see if it can’t replace Windows eventually for me.

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                                  Okay, I finally installed a new SSD yesterday so I could dual boot and put CachyOS on it. Played a few games and it worked surprisingly well.

                                  But it did take quite a bit more doing than installing Windows. The USB drive wouldn’t boot when made with Rufus and I don’t quite get how to manage the games installed in Proton (like where is their virtual 😄 drive?).

                                  I plan on migrating more of my stuff onto Linux in the coming days and will see if it can’t replace Windows eventually for me.

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                                  gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                  I’ve had a lot of success using Ventoy for my USB drive writing needs. Every steam game has it’s own folder for it’s virtual windows directory. You want to look in /home/your_name/.steam/steamapps/compatdata The folders are all strings of numbers, each being the ID of the respective steam game. You can find the ID for any steam game just by going in it’s store page and looking at the URL. You don’t usually need to mess with this though, just browse the game files in your /steam/common folder.

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                                  • O omega_jimes@lemmy.ca

                                    I could drill down into the work that went into DXVK before Proton came about, enabling the Steam Deck, but that’s a boring history lesson. I will concede that newer bleeding edge hardware is far more likely to be plug and play on Windows, but one of the leading reasons I transitioned was Windows removing support for the audio chipset on the motherboard for my Ryzen 1600. Every time I rebooted, I’d have to unpack a zip file and reinstall the audio drivers, it was maddening.

                                    In my experience (so, totally anecdotal), my hardware is stable longer on Linux than Windows.

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                                    arc99@lemmy.world
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                                    My experience with Linux with Nvidia drivers was basically - hey execute this “.run” file and you get drivers. Okay that worked but then if the kernel updated, the drivers broke and had to be reinstalled. And if the dist upgraded to a new version then the drivers broke completely. And NVidia gave up providing drivers at all for their older GPUs and I was stuck with Noveau which is better than nothing but useless for gaming.

                                    Conversely, some dists are supported by graphics manufacturers with proper packages but there is always that gap where the driver dependencies and the kernel dependencies are out of sync. Or the graphics driver only works on the last couple of dists and support disappears after that. Or you upgrade the dist and then discover there are no drivers for it yet.

                                    I know it rankles some purists, but really there should be an long term, versioned ABI for graphics drivers on Linux. There is sort-of is one with Gallium3D but it’s still not supported properly by all vendors.

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                                    • G gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                      I’ve had a lot of success using Ventoy for my USB drive writing needs. Every steam game has it’s own folder for it’s virtual windows directory. You want to look in /home/your_name/.steam/steamapps/compatdata The folders are all strings of numbers, each being the ID of the respective steam game. You can find the ID for any steam game just by going in it’s store page and looking at the URL. You don’t usually need to mess with this though, just browse the game files in your /steam/common folder.

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                                      benleman@lemmy.world
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                                      Yeah Ventoy did the trick for me eventually but then I ran into the next issue, namely that the instructions said to place the ISO on the drive. What I actually needed to do was to mount the ISO and to copy the files contained therein to USB.

                                      Thanks for pointing out the folder location. That was it. Now I don’t have to launch the Battle.Net installer each time I want to play Hearthstone (added it to Steam as an external game, which is not a bad idea, if a bit awkward).

                                      Next will be how to share my Steam libraries between OSes and retain access to my (cloud) saves. Making first steps there with mounting my existing drives… but now I have to learn how to edit FSTAB… sigh.

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                                      • G ganryuu@lemmy.ca

                                        Yeah, “linuxism”, that must be it… That or it’s possible that the OS and distributions have evolved while you were not looking.

                                        Linux dominates on servers because of that yes. Also because of its licensing costs, being open source, stable, secure (please don’t try to tell me Windows is more secure, please please please), better performance and lesser response time. Because a Debian stable will never break with simple security updates. I am also quite curious about getting a source for that claim that Windows Server is coming back.

                                        Finally, do tell me where I mentioned MacOS. Unless you think that MacOS and Linux are the same? That wouldn’t surprise me considering your apparent knowledge (or lack of) about Linux. FYI MacOS is based on a BSD kernel.

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                                        Alaknár
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                                        Yeah, “linuxism”, that must be it… That or it’s possible that the OS and distributions have evolved while you were not looking.

                                        As in: between today and six months ago, when I moved my personal PC to Linux and encountered various weird shit that just doesn’t happen on Windows?

                                        secure (please don’t try to tell me Windows is more secure, please please please)

                                        Wait, are you one of those weird people who believe that there are no viruses on Linux and no security tools are needed?

                                        Windows servers are under constant attack… Just like Linux devices are at all times.

                                        I am also quite curious about getting a source for that claim that Windows Server is coming back.

                                        I didn’t say “it’s coming back”. WS is still losing market share, but the losses slowed down pretty significantly in recent years. Sorry, I can’t find the source again because Google is shite. Feel free to disregard this point.

                                        Finally, do tell me where I mentioned MacOS. Unless you think that MacOS and Linux are the same? That wouldn’t surprise me considering your apparent knowledge (or lack of) about Linux. FYI MacOS is based on a BSD kernel.

                                        Fuck off with this tone, mate.

                                        I mentioned MacOS as an example that Windows is not as buggy as you seem to believe. I guess that went over your head and I should denigrate you now?

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                                        • O omega_jimes@lemmy.ca

                                          I could drill down into the work that went into DXVK before Proton came about, enabling the Steam Deck, but that’s a boring history lesson. I will concede that newer bleeding edge hardware is far more likely to be plug and play on Windows, but one of the leading reasons I transitioned was Windows removing support for the audio chipset on the motherboard for my Ryzen 1600. Every time I rebooted, I’d have to unpack a zip file and reinstall the audio drivers, it was maddening.

                                          In my experience (so, totally anecdotal), my hardware is stable longer on Linux than Windows.

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                                          0x0@lemmy.zip
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                                          Every time I rebooted, I’d have to unpack a zip file and reinstall the audio drivers,

                                          The OS would autoremove them?!

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