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  • Lvxferre [he/him]L Lvxferre [he/him]

    Microsoft is already responding to the potential shift. The upcoming ROG Xbox Ally X handheld from Microsoft and ASUS will reportedly ship with a gaming-optimized version of Windows 11 with a dedicated Xbox UI and interface that aims to streamline the experience while boosting in-game performance and overall handheld efficiency.

    Given how much Microsoft wants to shove AI tools every where in Windows, I don’t think this optimisation will make much of a difference.

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    And if we take this as an actual attempt at a better handheld experience, then this is just further proof that competition breeds better products for consumers.

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      zedotelhado@lemmy.world
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      As people already stated in the comments, this may not be a permanent change for some (they find out something like destiny 2 refuses to work on Linux without bans, some other tools needed for certain use cases are not there yet or windows only), but I think is super important people understand there are alternatives, and not only windows or Mac. Hopefully gives more people awareness that something else is out there. And would be really cool if we had more of the user base that is on the verge to throwing away the machine because of windows 11 restrictions and instead, gives machines a second chance.

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      • N nuxcom_90percent@lemmy.zip

        11% of 2% is nice but not “fucking crazy”

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        alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
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        At that rate we reach 100% Linux users in 34 months. (50% in 27)

        I’d call that quite significant.

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        • A alsimoneau@lemmy.ca

          At that rate we reach 100% Linux users in 34 months. (50% in 27)

          I’d call that quite significant.

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          nuxcom_90percent@lemmy.zip
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          #36

          … what rate are you talking about?

          I am going to assume the other person’s numbers were right but it honestly doesn’t matter

          422k people per month? That is 0.3% per month. 2.89 + (0.3*34) = 13.09. 13% after almost 3 years. Which… that honestly still seems high but I could almost see it if SteamOS gets enough coverage by the various influencers and runs on every handheld form factor gaming PC that isn’t MS or Sony branded. And if the next attempt at Steam Machines actually gains traction and they take over a chunk of the console space ahead of the PS6.

          Or are you talking about compound interest? Which… I think even Activision and EA would call you crazy for assuming. Also I am not sure if the math actually holds for that either but I can never remember the simple math to represent that.


          Also it is completely unrelated but I’ll just add: I personally don’t consider SteamOS gaining a significant market share to be “linux” any more than I do Android or consider Mac to be “BSD”. Yes, they have common ancestry (and varying levels of shared kernel and libraries) but it rapidly starts creating walled garden issues as developers prioritize one distro over the other to an obscene degree. And… I think we can all agree after the past few weeks that GabeN can indeed do wrong when it is in his/Valve’s financial interest to do so.

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            brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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            #37

            Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

            By much? With HDR?

            Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.

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            • BombOmOmB BombOmOm

              Steam has over 132 million monthly active users

              That month on month Linux expansion is ~422,000 computers. That is a shitload of people switching in just a single month.

              OSes are sticky as hell. People don’t like switching. As Linux attracts these people away from Microsoft, MS is not going to get them back. And importantly, the adoption rate is high enough that many 3rd party companies are taking notice and releasing for both.

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              hddsx@lemmy.ca
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              What do you mean OSes are sticky as hell? I’m currently on Arch, but only because of the AUR. I’m thinking of switching to gentoo because people keep putting malicious packages on the AUR so I might as well do gentoo

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                dil
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                Beware some issues if your hardware isnt popular, I have freezing on all kernels past 6.136-2, so I’m stuck there. (test them all every update, no matter what I get hella random freezing requiring a power button restart) It is very stable and fast tho, kinda scary thinking the bug never gets fixed tho, still new to Linux and assuming it’s bad to not update the kernel longgerm.

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                • H hddsx@lemmy.ca

                  What do you mean OSes are sticky as hell? I’m currently on Arch, but only because of the AUR. I’m thinking of switching to gentoo because people keep putting malicious packages on the AUR so I might as well do gentoo

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                  BombOmOm
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                  #40

                  What do you mean OSes are sticky as hell?

                  What are your feelings on switching to a different OS, such as MacOS?

                  I’m currently on Arch … I’m thinking of switching to gentoo

                  These are both the same OS: Linux. And one of the nice things is Linux lets you switch around so much at-will as you are thinking of doing.

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                  • BombOmOmB BombOmOm

                    What do you mean OSes are sticky as hell?

                    What are your feelings on switching to a different OS, such as MacOS?

                    I’m currently on Arch … I’m thinking of switching to gentoo

                    These are both the same OS: Linux. And one of the nice things is Linux lets you switch around so much at-will as you are thinking of doing.

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                    hddsx@lemmy.ca
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                    I can’t see OS X becoming a daily driver for me, but I don’t mind using it on occasion (it has bash!). Just have to turn off gestures

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                      I’m in those stats when I switched to Mint!

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                      nuko147@lemmy.world
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                      How is your idle VRAM (video RAM) holding? For some reason i have 1GB usage in Mint with Cinnamon without anything running, while on windows i have 400MB (although i have optimised them a lot).

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                      • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                        Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

                        By much? With HDR?

                        Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.

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                        monotremata@lemmy.ca
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                        I think there’s huge variability, but as a gross overgeneralization AMD gpus run Cyberpunk 2077 a bit faster on Linux than Windows, and nVidia gpus run it a bit slower on Linux than on Windows.

                        If you’ve got a spare usb hard drive you could always install Linux there for a test drive though. You might be able to find a setup that gets you the extra performance you’re looking for.

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                        • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

                          How is your idle VRAM (video RAM) holding? For some reason i have 1GB usage in Mint with Cinnamon without anything running, while on windows i have 400MB (although i have optimised them a lot).

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                          Tanis Nikana
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                          I’m not sure. I’m a photographer and comic. I switched to mint cause it’s easy, I’m not much of a computer person.

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                          • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                            Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

                            By much? With HDR?

                            Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.

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                            greencrunch@lemmy.today
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                            I am not sure, as I’ve actually only played it under Linux. I have a laptop with an RTX 3070. It’s able to handle the raytraced low setting at 1080p, but I just run High instead so that the fan isn’t as loud. And in my opinion that even looks pretty good. I might try start it under windows and run its benchmark because I’m curious now! I’ll update here if I remember to do this test.

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                              Beware some issues if your hardware isnt popular, I have freezing on all kernels past 6.136-2, so I’m stuck there. (test them all every update, no matter what I get hella random freezing requiring a power button restart) It is very stable and fast tho, kinda scary thinking the bug never gets fixed tho, still new to Linux and assuming it’s bad to not update the kernel longgerm.

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                              Horsey
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                              I had that issue last time I switched to Linux. Thankfully eventually it went away. It should help to distro hop to a more bleeding edge distro. Fedora specifically gets system updates every night through Discover.

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                              • M monotremata@lemmy.ca

                                I think there’s huge variability, but as a gross overgeneralization AMD gpus run Cyberpunk 2077 a bit faster on Linux than Windows, and nVidia gpus run it a bit slower on Linux than on Windows.

                                If you’ve got a spare usb hard drive you could always install Linux there for a test drive though. You might be able to find a setup that gets you the extra performance you’re looking for.

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                                brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                                #47

                                I already dual boot CachyOS! In fact I spent a lot of time tweaking schedulers, power, undervolting the GPU and such for compute performance, but I think it’s well tuned for gaming too.

                                It’s just annoying because I beat the GPU into submission with tons of settings (as Nvidia is funny with Wayland), so its display out is totally disabled. It’s a lot to undo.

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                                • BombOmOmB BombOmOm

                                  11% month on month expansion is fucking crazy. You can see from the data it’s mostly Windows 10 users deciding to upgrade to Linux…and even OSX.

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                                  Horsey
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                                  This is my use case as well. Not that macOS gaming is terrible, it’s just not as good as a dedicated Linux system because of the easier proton translation on Linux than the tinkering required on macOS.

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                                  • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                                    Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

                                    By much? With HDR?

                                    Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.

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                                    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

                                    That’s entire dependent on a whole host of things. CPU, GPU, distro (mostly kernel version), open source vs proprietary drivers, proton version etc. Also some numbers can artificially look better if the feature is just straight up ignored by proton, or just broken. If you’re looking for some bleeding edge features then probably not.

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                                      Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

                                      That’s entire dependent on a whole host of things. CPU, GPU, distro (mostly kernel version), open source vs proprietary drivers, proton version etc. Also some numbers can artificially look better if the feature is just straight up ignored by proton, or just broken. If you’re looking for some bleeding edge features then probably not.

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                                      brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                                      #50

                                      7800X3D, Nvidia 3090, CachyOS, the latest arch kernel with whatever tweaks they have, I assume git Proton and all the distro’s riced settings. On CP2077’s side I’d like RTX reflections and DLSS as the only exotic settings, though I did run a mod that hacks in FSR 3.1 framegen.

                                      I realize I probably have to test this myself, heh. But from what I gather (and past experience on a laptop 2060 with Linux) is that Nvidia is disadvantaged on Linux in this scenario.

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                                      • BombOmOmB BombOmOm

                                        11% month on month expansion is fucking crazy. You can see from the data it’s mostly Windows 10 users deciding to upgrade to Linux…and even OSX.

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                                        olgratin_magmatoe@slrpnk.net
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                                        I wonder how dual boots show up in these stats

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                                        • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                                          Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

                                          By much? With HDR?

                                          Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.

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                                          woelkchen@lemmy.world
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                                          this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction

                                          Nvidia and Linux don’t have the best history. Their driver are not open source, so Valve developers have no means to improve performance and fix bugs on a driver level.

                                          Success stories of Linux gaming are usually about Radeon and Arc GPUs whose drivers are fully open source.

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