@dhfir I usually don't assume trans<masc or femme> connotate gender, only direction. Like transfem enbys are still transfem?transmasc enbys are still transmasc? Edited for clarity. It's different for everyone.

@CharlotteEowyn @dhfir

(want to preface this with I Love This Thread, just wanted to clarify how I think about my nonbinary gender)

I don't see myself as a "transmasc enby" - I did at one point but I have since realized that the 'direction' I'm going in is neither masc or femme. I'm just nonbinary/genderqueer/agender/genderfluid - when my therapist asked me what my ideal physical configuration would be, he didn't really know what to make of my answer, which is "a shimmery cloud of gas" like a nebula or something. but because he is a great therapist we sort of followed that thread and landed on "and that's why caftans give me gender euphoria"

I, at one point, considered myself transmasc but stopped that when I thought harder about "masculinity" and what that would mean for me, and specifically whether I wanted to go on T. I decided I'm happy with the amount of masculine I already am, so the direction has mostly been "away from the unpleasant parts of my AFAB body" and not necessarily towards a more masculine ID.

and when I consider what "more masculine" would mean for me - there's the physical stuff like the effects of T, there's social stuff like being treated like a man, there's stuff that can't change like height (which for whatever dumb reason is 'masculine') - and I am not aiming at any of that. I'm not aiming at "more feminine" either. I'm aiming in a totally different direction, and I get the feeling that's what PUF was doing too.

tl;dr gender is complicated.

@CharlotteEowyn @dhfir

(want to preface this with I Love This Thread, just wanted to clarify how I think about my nonbinary gender)

I don't see myself as a "transmasc enby" - I did at one point but I have since realized that the 'direction' I'm going in is neither masc or femme. I'm just nonbinary/genderqueer/agender/genderfluid - when my therapist asked me what my ideal physical configuration would be, he didn't really know what to make of my answer, which is "a shimmery cloud of gas" like a nebula or something. but because he is a great therapist we sort of followed that thread and landed on "and that's why caftans give me gender euphoria"

I, at one point, considered myself transmasc but stopped that when I thought harder about "masculinity" and what that would mean for me, and specifically whether I wanted to go on T. I decided I'm happy with the amount of masculine I already am, so the direction has mostly been "away from the unpleasant parts of my AFAB body" and not necessarily towards a more masculine ID.

and when I consider what "more masculine" would mean for me - there's the physical stuff like the effects of T, there's social stuff like being treated like a man, there's stuff that can't change like height (which for whatever dumb reason is 'masculine') - and I am not aiming at any of that. I'm not aiming at "more feminine" either. I'm aiming in a totally different direction, and I get the feeling that's what PUF was doing too.

tl;dr gender is complicated.

It is 222 A.D. You are the transgender Empress Elagabalus, "call me not a man for I am a woman". Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1776. You are "Public Universal Friend", a transmasculine nonbinary Quaker. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1906. You are Karl M. Baer, a trans man undergoing sex reassignment. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1930. You are Lili Elbe. Transitioning is new and experimental. (to be fair you did get a uterus transplant.)

It is 1966. You are in Compton's Cafeteria with a bunch of other trans people when the owners call the cops to throw you all out. You riot. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1969. You are Marsha "pay it no mind" Johnson. You are in a mob-run gay bar when the cops attack. You throw a brick. There is a bit of a scuffle. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 2026. You are a transgender adult or child listening to the NYT and British Guardian claim this is the first generation anyone has tried transitioning in. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 222 A.D. You are the transgender Empress Elagabalus, "call me not a man for I am a woman". Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1776. You are "Public Universal Friend", a transmasculine nonbinary Quaker. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1906. You are Karl M. Baer, a trans man undergoing sex reassignment. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1930. You are Lili Elbe. Transitioning is new and experimental. (to be fair you did get a uterus transplant.)

It is 1966. You are in Compton's Cafeteria with a bunch of other trans people when the owners call the cops to throw you all out. You riot. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 1969. You are Marsha "pay it no mind" Johnson. You are in a mob-run gay bar when the cops attack. You throw a brick. There is a bit of a scuffle. Transitioning is new and experimental.

It is 2026. You are a transgender adult or child listening to the NYT and British Guardian claim this is the first generation anyone has tried transitioning in. Transitioning is new and experimental.