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  3. Larian's head writer has a simple answer for how AI-generated text helps development: 'It doesn't,' thanks to its best output being 'a 3/10 at best' worse than his worst drafts

Larian's head writer has a simple answer for how AI-generated text helps development: 'It doesn't,' thanks to its best output being 'a 3/10 at best' worse than his worst drafts

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    fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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    Not to mention inertia from studio rep. I’d buy Bethesda hotdog water at some points for those studio. Now they could promise me head from a talented hooker with a clean record and I’d still probally pass cause Id probally just end 39 hours sore, blueballed, and being asked for the next payment.

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    • Cevilia (she/they/…)C Cevilia (she/they/…)

      What the heck is a ta-da-m? It sounds like some kind of exotic medication 🤭

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      shanmugha@lemmy.world
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      Boring part: an exclamation meaning “there it is”

      /boring mode off

      hell, I want a medication with such a name now 🙂

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      • S shanmugha@lemmy.world

        Boring part: an exclamation meaning “there it is”

        /boring mode off

        hell, I want a medication with such a name now 🙂

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        Cevilia (she/they/…)
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        I’ve literally never heard it with a -m before. Usually it’s just “tada”. 🙂

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        • CoelacanthC Coelacanth

          Yes, this is it right here. The whole point of art is communication and connection with another human being.

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          holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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          #66

          Eh not always, hell I wouldn’t even say it is most of the time.

          Art for OTHERS is for communicating.

          Art for yourself is everything from glorified shit to slop to trash to works of art, and soul searching .

          Art for marketing is better low effort and shot gunned more often then not and that has actual science to back it up.

          Art in the grand scheme of things is God damn fucking anything. Meaning or no meaning. Soul or no soul.

          Heaven knows iv spent days on clay works that I just toss cause they existed for nothing more then something to do. Iv made paintings that iv proudly hung in my wall. While others I could barely give to shits about and frankly a random ai genned img would have more artistic merit in its prompt then the slop I shat onto the canvas.

          Trying to dictate what is and isn’t art always makes you wrong with out expectation. Everything is art no matter what. The only value in art is what each person says it has to them and nothing more or less.

          That’s the neat part AI art has value if nothing more then purely utilitarian value. But only if you give it value.

          Just as most people don’t value modern art or a fucking banana nailed to a wall. Most won’t give AI art value. And that’s fine.

          The problem is everyone fucking trying to say it has value, just as much as everyone saying it doesn’t.

          You CANT dictate what art has value to others. Period.

          I personally don’t see value in AI art. It’s just a thing that exist. Fuck copyright and really the problem argument anyone ever fucking has over AI art is copy right related. So who the fuck cares, copyright should be abolished anyways it’s God damn fucking stupid.

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          • A arkthos@pawb.social

            I doubt that. A lot of the poor writing quality comes down to choice. All the most powerful models are inherently trained to be bland, seek harmony with the user, and generally come across as kind of slimy in a typically corporate sort of way. This bleeds into the writing style pretty heavily.

            A model trained specifically for creative writing without such a focus would probably do better. We’ll see.

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            holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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            I mean look at a hobby project like neuro sama vs chat gpt.

            It’s rather night and day difference in terms of responses and humanity.

            While neuro and her sister both come across as autistic 7 year olds. They still come across as mostly human autistic 7 year olds. They have their moments they just lose it, which every LLM has.

            But comparing them it’s really really obvious how many of the problems with the inhumanity and blandness is a choice of large companies to have the LLMs be marketable and corpo friendly.

            In a world where these models could be trained and allowed to actually have human ish responses and focus on being “normal” instead of sterile robots. They would at least be way more fun.

            Not much more reliable mind you. But at least they would be fun.

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            • M moonmelon@lemmy.ml

              The dialog pushing AI media seems to start from this assumption that I consume media just to have colors and words and sounds enter my face holes. In fact, I consume art and media because I like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the same world I do. It’s a form of communication. I like the product but also the process of people trying to capture the bonkers, ineffable experience we all seem to be sharing in ways I would never think of, but can instantly verify.

              What’s funny is, due to the nature of media, it’s kind of impossible to not communicate something, even if the artwork itself is empty. When I see AI media I see the communication of a mind that doesn’t know or give a shit about any of this. So in their attempt make filler they are in fact making art about how inarticulate they are. It’s unintentional, corporate dadaism.

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              hikaru755@lemmy.world
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              While I fully agree with you regarding my reasons to consume media, I’m not so sure if that’s actually a majority opinion. I get the impression that for a lot of people, the point of consuming media is actually just entertainment, something to take your mind off other things, and they don’t care about the communication and connection aspect.

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              • M mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works

                Behind the Bastards had a different take. A lot of fascist movements get wierdly focussed on futurism and try to portray their movements as belonging in said future. Unfortunately I can’t remember the exact episodes this was mentioned

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                minyakcurry@monyet.cc
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                Ooh yes I think this was mentioned in one of the nazi germany episodes, where they really had a thing for electricity. Maybe the next person can narrow it down further.

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                • M mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works

                  Behind the Bastards had a different take. A lot of fascist movements get wierdly focussed on futurism and try to portray their movements as belonging in said future. Unfortunately I can’t remember the exact episodes this was mentioned

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                  merdaverse@lemmy.zip
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                  AI: The New Aesthetics of Fascism

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                  AI: The New Aesthetics of Fascism

                  Tommy Robinson tweets an image of soldiers walking into the ocean on D-Day. Britain First’s co-leader produces imagery of Muslim men laughing at sad white girls on public transport. An AI-generated song combining kitsch schlager pop with crude racial stereotypes makes it into the German top fifty and becomes number three on Spotify’s global viral chart. Benjamin Netanyahu conjures a vision of an ethnically-cleansed Gaza connected by bullet train to the equally ephemeral Neom. Keir Starmer’s Lab…

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                  • M Maiznieks

                    Wow, look, a professional right here! Must have a high job insecurity to care about “machines took our jooobs”. Grow up and realise a POC solution is better than no solution, like products don’t ever get rewritten, lol.

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                    optissima@lemmy.world
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                    We are talking about quality of writing fiction. There’s nothing wrong with being an amateur, but being rude when a professional has a higher skill cap than you is just kind of sad. This man has likely honed his craft over 10s of thousands of hours, respect that. You’ve basically told me that when you see someone just beginning to practice a skill you have honed you can’t tell a difference, or you lack the ability to transfer that concept to a skill you are unpracticed in. If you feel that this is still hard to understand, try reading the Eragon series then LotR. Both fun reads, but you can tell that one was written by someone early in their writing carrier vs later.

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                    • M mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works

                      Behind the Bastards had a different take. A lot of fascist movements get wierdly focussed on futurism and try to portray their movements as belonging in said future. Unfortunately I can’t remember the exact episodes this was mentioned

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                      boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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                      Makes sense when you think about it

                      You’re running an oppressive dictatorship. You still need enough people to support you to keep the thing going. What do you do? Make a bunch of people believe you’re going to improve their lives. How do you do that? First, you find an enemy to blame for everything. For Nazi Germany it was Jews, for the US now it’s mostly Latinos, but really all foreigners. But that alone might not be enough. So what else do you do? Pretend you’re doing everything economically and technologically to make things better for “the right people”.

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                      • T thirdconsul@lemmy.zip

                        Because AI can make 10 commercials in the same time traditional creators can make 1

                        Famously Cola Christmas commercial took more time and money to create than a traditional ad would?

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                        87six@lemmy.zip
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                        It’s very funny to me when people say that using AI takes less time. They clearly haven’t prompted 10 times for a basic request only for the AI to fail every time.

                        I have. I use AI. I have been for a while. It’s good for very, very basic requests that people have asked for countless times over. It’s actually very good at that. For anything else, it’s useless.

                        And what I said above is the exact opposite of literally any creative workflow ever.

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                        • M Maiznieks

                          Nah, can’t agree. I have postponed few ideas for years, was able to vibe them in a week during evenings, now i have something usable. 70% of it was vibed, just had to fix stupid stuff that was partially on my queries.

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                          gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          Yeah that makes sense, your writing is shit

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                          • N notasharkinamansuit@lemmy.world

                            That tracks.

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                            melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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                            People just like you.

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                              Eh not always, hell I wouldn’t even say it is most of the time.

                              Art for OTHERS is for communicating.

                              Art for yourself is everything from glorified shit to slop to trash to works of art, and soul searching .

                              Art for marketing is better low effort and shot gunned more often then not and that has actual science to back it up.

                              Art in the grand scheme of things is God damn fucking anything. Meaning or no meaning. Soul or no soul.

                              Heaven knows iv spent days on clay works that I just toss cause they existed for nothing more then something to do. Iv made paintings that iv proudly hung in my wall. While others I could barely give to shits about and frankly a random ai genned img would have more artistic merit in its prompt then the slop I shat onto the canvas.

                              Trying to dictate what is and isn’t art always makes you wrong with out expectation. Everything is art no matter what. The only value in art is what each person says it has to them and nothing more or less.

                              That’s the neat part AI art has value if nothing more then purely utilitarian value. But only if you give it value.

                              Just as most people don’t value modern art or a fucking banana nailed to a wall. Most won’t give AI art value. And that’s fine.

                              The problem is everyone fucking trying to say it has value, just as much as everyone saying it doesn’t.

                              You CANT dictate what art has value to others. Period.

                              I personally don’t see value in AI art. It’s just a thing that exist. Fuck copyright and really the problem argument anyone ever fucking has over AI art is copy right related. So who the fuck cares, copyright should be abolished anyways it’s God damn fucking stupid.

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                              athatet@lemmy.zip
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                              Until copywrite IS abolished (it should be), the fact that ai steals everything is a huge problem.

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                                It’s very funny to me when people say that using AI takes less time. They clearly haven’t prompted 10 times for a basic request only for the AI to fail every time.

                                I have. I use AI. I have been for a while. It’s good for very, very basic requests that people have asked for countless times over. It’s actually very good at that. For anything else, it’s useless.

                                And what I said above is the exact opposite of literally any creative workflow ever.

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                                funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
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                                I’ll accept the down votes, but I needed a header image for a work doc that showed a map, and in the background the landscape it was mapping - too specific for a stock photo, but it’s just window dressing in a mostly internal doc - perfect use case for AI!

                                After 45 minutes of prompting I gave up and made it myself in 20 minutes, and used royalty free no credit needed images.

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                                • F funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works

                                  I’ll accept the down votes, but I needed a header image for a work doc that showed a map, and in the background the landscape it was mapping - too specific for a stock photo, but it’s just window dressing in a mostly internal doc - perfect use case for AI!

                                  After 45 minutes of prompting I gave up and made it myself in 20 minutes, and used royalty free no credit needed images.

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                                  87six@lemmy.zip
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                                  Man I can’t for the life of me get it to generate a proper image that isn’t “a cute racoon playing guitar” or some stuff like that.

                                  I tried using AI filters too, to improve quality (remove motion blur, remove low-light noise, etc) but it never did anything useful either. Upscaling may as well be just a GIMP image scale.

                                  I don’t get it. Either I’m too stupid to use it or it’s truly useless.

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