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Rockstar co-founder [Dan Houser] compares AI to 'mad cow disease,' and says the execs pushing it aren't 'fully-rounded humans'

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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      bulwark@lemmy.world
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      “So it’s sort of like when we fed cows with cows and got mad cow disease.” is an amazing analogy for the current state of LLMs.

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        als@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Still a union buster

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        • A als@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          Still a union buster

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          反いじめ戦隊
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          #4

          came to this thread exactly to make fun of this “fully-rounded labour exploiter”

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          • B bulwark@lemmy.world

            “So it’s sort of like when we fed cows with cows and got mad cow disease.” is an amazing analogy for the current state of LLMs.

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            lembot_0005@lemy.lol
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            It isn’t – it is a completely populist comparison that can’t be used as a meaningful argument.

            CEOs work by this very same principle: say what people want to hear, making their beliefs even stronger and thus increasing their craving to hear that statement again. Repeat until something breaks.

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            • A als@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              Still a union buster

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              jonne@infosec.pub
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              He left rockstar after red dead redemption II, partly because he was tired of dealing with those execs.

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              • J jonne@infosec.pub

                He left rockstar after red dead redemption II, partly because he was tired of dealing with those execs.

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                反いじめ戦隊
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                So he’s going to rehire the visa dependent labourers RG fired?

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                • L lembot_0005@lemy.lol

                  It isn’t – it is a completely populist comparison that can’t be used as a meaningful argument.

                  CEOs work by this very same principle: say what people want to hear, making their beliefs even stronger and thus increasing their craving to hear that statement again. Repeat until something breaks.

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                  forrgott@lemmy.zip
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                  You know analogy and argument are not the same thing, right? Like, not at all. I’m not the guy you replied to, but I definitely did not get the impression he meant anything even close to “meaningful argument”.

                  And you know what? I think he’s right; that is a very apt analogy when taking about sophisticated bullshit generators. Cause that’s the version they keep trying to sell to the public. This isn’t about data analysis or any other if the creative scientific applications of this technology.

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                  • B bulwark@lemmy.world

                    “So it’s sort of like when we fed cows with cows and got mad cow disease.” is an amazing analogy for the current state of LLMs.

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                    Ephera
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                    Yeah, the headline makes it sound like he’s insulting AI, but he’s just illustrating a fairly basic fact…

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                    • F forrgott@lemmy.zip

                      You know analogy and argument are not the same thing, right? Like, not at all. I’m not the guy you replied to, but I definitely did not get the impression he meant anything even close to “meaningful argument”.

                      And you know what? I think he’s right; that is a very apt analogy when taking about sophisticated bullshit generators. Cause that’s the version they keep trying to sell to the public. This isn’t about data analysis or any other if the creative scientific applications of this technology.

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                      lembot_0005@lemy.lol
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                      This isn’t about data analysis or any other if the creative scientific applications of this technology.

                      But this is the only thing that matters. Who cares how people who don’t know, care or capable of using some technology are actually using it? Ammonium nitrate is poisonous if you try to salt a soup with it, but it makes miracles in the hands of those who know how to use it (if you like analogies)

                      Cause that’s the version they keep trying to sell to the public.

                      I am not a lawyer, but I think that even in the USA it isn’t mandatory to buy everything that corporations sell.

                      Modern LLMs are very useful tools. Just some people try to smalltalk with it for some reason. Their right. Salting soup with nitrates is also their right.

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                      • L lembot_0005@lemy.lol

                        It isn’t – it is a completely populist comparison that can’t be used as a meaningful argument.

                        CEOs work by this very same principle: say what people want to hear, making their beliefs even stronger and thus increasing their craving to hear that statement again. Repeat until something breaks.

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                        lime!
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                        the analogy perfectly describes model collapse.

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                          valmond@lemmy.world
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                          I’m tired of people using “AI” for only generative AI/LLM. Especially in video games ?!

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                          • L lembot_0005@lemy.lol

                            This isn’t about data analysis or any other if the creative scientific applications of this technology.

                            But this is the only thing that matters. Who cares how people who don’t know, care or capable of using some technology are actually using it? Ammonium nitrate is poisonous if you try to salt a soup with it, but it makes miracles in the hands of those who know how to use it (if you like analogies)

                            Cause that’s the version they keep trying to sell to the public.

                            I am not a lawyer, but I think that even in the USA it isn’t mandatory to buy everything that corporations sell.

                            Modern LLMs are very useful tools. Just some people try to smalltalk with it for some reason. Their right. Salting soup with nitrates is also their right.

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                            truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                            Oh goddammit, you’re here. Move on to Lembot_0006 already, ya contrarian doofus.

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                            • 反いじめ戦隊A 反いじめ戦隊

                              So he’s going to rehire the visa dependent labourers RG fired?

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                              boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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                              The ones that were fired 5 years after he left R*? I mean, it’d be nice if he did, but is he really at fault here?

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                              • L lembot_0005@lemy.lol

                                This isn’t about data analysis or any other if the creative scientific applications of this technology.

                                But this is the only thing that matters. Who cares how people who don’t know, care or capable of using some technology are actually using it? Ammonium nitrate is poisonous if you try to salt a soup with it, but it makes miracles in the hands of those who know how to use it (if you like analogies)

                                Cause that’s the version they keep trying to sell to the public.

                                I am not a lawyer, but I think that even in the USA it isn’t mandatory to buy everything that corporations sell.

                                Modern LLMs are very useful tools. Just some people try to smalltalk with it for some reason. Their right. Salting soup with nitrates is also their right.

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                                Rayquetzalcoatl
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                                Ugh yet another Lemmy user desperate to make the LLMs like them. Go chat with your chatbot friends and leave humans alone mate.

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                                • B boonhet@sopuli.xyz

                                  The ones that were fired 5 years after he left R*? I mean, it’d be nice if he did, but is he really at fault here?

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                                  Prove_your_argument
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                                  fyigm, amirite?

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                                  • 反いじめ戦隊A 反いじめ戦隊

                                    came to this thread exactly to make fun of this “fully-rounded labour exploiter”

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                                    Øπ3ŕ
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                                    You think he was subconsciously hinting at his prominent cranium?

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                                      fyigm, amirite?

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                                      boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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                                      How’s this a fyigm situation? He left 5 years before this particular thing happened, he had no say in it.

                                      Now if he has actual need for these employees in his new company, I could see him hiring them there, but his new studio is in California and those employees were sacked in the UK, meaning they need a new job in the UK to keep living there. He also currently has fewer employees than the amount that R* fired. That’s how small that shop is.

                                      His brother, however, is still an exec at Rockstar. He, along with the rest of R* and Take-Two leadership has a lot to answer for.

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                                      • 反いじめ戦隊A 反いじめ戦隊

                                        came to this thread exactly to make fun of this “fully-rounded labour exploiter”

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                                        boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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                                        What’d he do?

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                                        • T truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                          Oh goddammit, you’re here. Move on to Lembot_0006 already, ya contrarian doofus.

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                                          scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                          Is that a user that is “unblockable” by dodging username blocks by iterating the name?

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