Ha, this is word for word exactly my first experience on my first visit to Europe (Austria) as a 14 year old.
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Ha, this is word for word exactly my first experience on my first visit to Europe (Austria) as a 14 year old.
Except it happened almost every day. I was there to visit the UN.
They also introduced me to a former secretary general of the UN, a known Nazi. What a wild time.
@skinnylatte If I had to guess, as a German, this story feels very much like the 90s. (Not saying, it's not happening anymore, but I think it's less common.)
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@skinnylatte White people in the US love talking about Scandinavian liberalism, but Iceland is the only place I have ever been denied service in multiple businesses because I walked in with a Turkish friend. It was shocking. If people talked to us at all it was to warn me not to bring my friend to the public swimming facilities with me.
@carrideen I’ve had some incredibly unsettling experiences over just four days in Copenhagen. But I’ve been told that it’s a post racial society and if anything happened to me there it must be all my fault
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@skinnylatte If I had to guess, as a German, this story feels very much like the 90s. (Not saying, it's not happening anymore, but I think it's less common.)
@rainerzufall_le mid 00s for me
Still too many fucking ni haos on the streets today (yes even in the major cities with lots of immigrants)
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@Happyfishmedia there’s a guy here who’s often in my comments about how he doesn’t understand why I don’t leave shithole California for.. Germany
@skinnylatte
when I lived in Germany, I worked for an organisation that had an anti-racism focus... It was set up by someone who later was an SS officer. It was a fascinating story that I was reminded of when a movie about him was randomly on TV .
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@rainerzufall_le mid 00s for me
Still too many fucking ni haos on the streets today (yes even in the major cities with lots of immigrants)
@skinnylatte My feeling is that this overt racism, mocking appearences and languages got less overt between 2005-2010.
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@carrideen I’ve had some incredibly unsettling experiences over just four days in Copenhagen. But I’ve been told that it’s a post racial society and if anything happened to me there it must be all my fault
@skinnylatte Yikes. My Turkish friend was in Reykjavik all summer for a research fellowship and reached a point where he just stopped leaving his apartment for anything. I cooked for him while he was visiting and ended up leaving him a bunch of frozen meals because he stopped trying going to restaurants. If I got us takeout by myself we could eat.
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@skinnylatte Yikes. My Turkish friend was in Reykjavik all summer for a research fellowship and reached a point where he just stopped leaving his apartment for anything. I cooked for him while he was visiting and ended up leaving him a bunch of frozen meals because he stopped trying going to restaurants. If I got us takeout by myself we could eat.
@carrideen yep. 100% guarantee the people who defend this will say ‘your friend should have become fluent in the language in 2 months’ because apparently not speaking the language means they can treat people inhumanely.
I very much dislike the ‘integrate or be ignored or dismissed’ perspective, they didn’t do that when they colonized the world.
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Every time I post stuff like this someone goes yeah but it’s that place, this place is better
Yeah it also happened to me in this and that place
As a person who is not American, I’ll never believe it when someone says ‘America is more racist’ if you won’t even let people tell you about their experiences with your countries but you apparently know all about being a minority in America as well
Subtoot for a very large group of people here
@skinnylatte I never imagined it would happen in the ¨tolerant¨ Netherlands, where there are citizens by birth with Asian ancestry. It happens even there.
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@rainerzufall_le mid 00s for me
Still too many fucking ni haos on the streets today (yes even in the major cities with lots of immigrants)
@skinnylatte @rainerzufall_le
I was in Berlin near an election, i want to guess about 2014, and there were racist and sexist campaign signs up all over the place with hand drawn graffiti to make them even worse, and at least once a large group of very loud men came to a public square to sing their sieg heils - to most people's disamusement at least. Still, it was very unsettling
I was there ten days and that happened where i was eating. I've never seen anything like that happen in forty plus years of living in the US -
Ha, this is word for word exactly my first experience on my first visit to Europe (Austria) as a 14 year old.
Except it happened almost every day. I was there to visit the UN.
They also introduced me to a former secretary general of the UN, a known Nazi. What a wild time.
@skinnylatte I think this is the kind of shit you can only get up to in a post-violence zero-tolerance society.
Like, only if you have zero fear of the minority kid coming over to immediately kick your ass, would anyone be so bold in their racist bullshit.
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@skinnylatte I think this is the kind of shit you can only get up to in a post-violence zero-tolerance society.
Like, only if you have zero fear of the minority kid coming over to immediately kick your ass, would anyone be so bold in their racist bullshit.
@pencilears I’m certain the minority kid would be deported even if they were from there, if this happened. The power dynamics are very different
Also, many ‘normal’ people defend that type of behavior. They’ll be like ‘oh what were you expecting, bunch of Asian kids standing around TOGETHER just asking for it’
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Ha, this is word for word exactly my first experience on my first visit to Europe (Austria) as a 14 year old.
Except it happened almost every day. I was there to visit the UN.
They also introduced me to a former secretary general of the UN, a known Nazi. What a wild time.
@skinnylatte Good lord
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@carrideen yep. 100% guarantee the people who defend this will say ‘your friend should have become fluent in the language in 2 months’ because apparently not speaking the language means they can treat people inhumanely.
I very much dislike the ‘integrate or be ignored or dismissed’ perspective, they didn’t do that when they colonized the world.
@skinnylatte In Copenhagen (as a Danish friend used to tell me) the whole hygge aesthetic (let's be cozy and not prickly and easy to get along with) gets weaponized against immigrants, who can be perceived as refusing or standing in the way of the rest of "us" having a comfortable time.
(One of the things I love about NYC is that no one feels entitled to be cozy here!)
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@pencilears I’m certain the minority kid would be deported even if they were from there, if this happened. The power dynamics are very different
Also, many ‘normal’ people defend that type of behavior. They’ll be like ‘oh what were you expecting, bunch of Asian kids standing around TOGETHER just asking for it’
@skinnylatte as an American, antagonizing a group of kids is a surefire recipe for getting your ass beat. like, *that's* "asking for it"
God, not to be terrible, but Germany is worse culturally for being allowed to get away with the Holocaust. (Watch some European pop up here to bring up school shootings in America because they can't resist doing it whenever an American criticizes their racist-ass society)
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@skinnylatte @rainerzufall_le
I was in Berlin near an election, i want to guess about 2014, and there were racist and sexist campaign signs up all over the place with hand drawn graffiti to make them even worse, and at least once a large group of very loud men came to a public square to sing their sieg heils - to most people's disamusement at least. Still, it was very unsettling
I was there ten days and that happened where i was eating. I've never seen anything like that happen in forty plus years of living in the US@RnDanger @rainerzufall_le sometimes I post stuff like this because there’s a couple of guys in my replies who are always on about how they don’t understand why I haven’t left the shithole that is California for Germany. Totally unprompted! Like, I have never expressed an interest in moving there. But they are convinced there is something wrong with me for not wanting to do this.
On random posts too! ‘Here’s a post about a job in California, where I live’ ‘too bad California is a fascist shithole, only low IQ immigrants go to the U.S. instead of Europe’ (they’re avowed leftists apparently) or ‘everyone worth anything is moving to Germany’
It’s a very strange mix of antifa anti-imperialist.. eugenics?
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@skinnylatte as an American, antagonizing a group of kids is a surefire recipe for getting your ass beat. like, *that's* "asking for it"
God, not to be terrible, but Germany is worse culturally for being allowed to get away with the Holocaust. (Watch some European pop up here to bring up school shootings in America because they can't resist doing it whenever an American criticizes their racist-ass society)
@pencilears well this happens precisely to East Asian kids because we are supposed to be docile people who let people beat us up.
Unless we know kungfu.
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@RnDanger @rainerzufall_le sometimes I post stuff like this because there’s a couple of guys in my replies who are always on about how they don’t understand why I haven’t left the shithole that is California for Germany. Totally unprompted! Like, I have never expressed an interest in moving there. But they are convinced there is something wrong with me for not wanting to do this.
On random posts too! ‘Here’s a post about a job in California, where I live’ ‘too bad California is a fascist shithole, only low IQ immigrants go to the U.S. instead of Europe’ (they’re avowed leftists apparently) or ‘everyone worth anything is moving to Germany’
It’s a very strange mix of antifa anti-imperialist.. eugenics?
@skinnylatte @RnDanger Antifascism-flavored nationalism? I really don't know.
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@skinnylatte I never imagined it would happen in the ¨tolerant¨ Netherlands, where there are citizens by birth with Asian ancestry. It happens even there.
@WitchHayley @skinnylatte They did finally get rid of their annual blackface festival a few years ago, but the fact that they had an annual blackface festival until a few years ago certainly says something. Also the fact that there was violence against the people advocating to get rid of the blackface.
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@WitchHayley @skinnylatte They did finally get rid of their annual blackface festival a few years ago, but the fact that they had an annual blackface festival until a few years ago certainly says something. Also the fact that there was violence against the people advocating to get rid of the blackface.
@crzwdjk @WitchHayley as my friend, an immigrant in Stockholm likes to say, the only thing worse than racism there is the many white Americans who live there and go ‘wow! There is no racism here!’ and then the racists get very proud of themselves and say ‘look these Americans say we are less racist than them’
Meanwhile she gets mail regularly telling her to GTFO of the country
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@pencilears well this happens precisely to East Asian kids because we are supposed to be docile people who let people beat us up.
Unless we know kungfu.
@skinnylatte it's always been weird to me how much the generally Asian cultural value of politely ignoring when a stranger is being embarrassing, and this thing I've seen where people operate socially on both a ruthless level and a polite level simultaneously. (especially when it's women smoothly dealing with misogynistic men)
This gets read as "submissiveness" or docility or whatever by western people and like, ohhh it is noooot.
