Thanks DnD
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Those are SO not in the order I remember back when I used to pay.
It was:
STR
INT
WIS
DEX
CON
CHA.As an added bonus, I remember the coin on the character sheets as being:
Gold
Silver
Copper
Platinum
ElectrumProbably helps to know I played in the late 70’s when campaigns like Keep on the Borderlands was a new thing and came in a box.
Hey, I’m all for nostalgia, but reordering it to separate the physical stats from the mental ones was a very good idea. I’m pretty sure my first game back when I was… 10? (long time ago)… also used the Str Int Wis order. But you know… that order got changed REAL fast… 2e, iirc. And good riddance.
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Vitality: Whatever it is that makes wild hogs unkillable.
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Those are SO not in the order I remember back when I used to pay.
It was:
STR
INT
WIS
DEX
CON
CHA.As an added bonus, I remember the coin on the character sheets as being:
Gold
Silver
Copper
Platinum
ElectrumProbably helps to know I played in the late 70’s when campaigns like Keep on the Borderlands was a new thing and came in a box.
Wasn’t it copper-silver-electrum-gold-platinum? That would be the order of value as I remember it but I haven’t looked at the boxed stuff in years.
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The words in the pictures have some diabolical keming
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I think fallout’s S.P.E.C.I.A.L works quite well.
Wisdom isn’t a thing by itself, it’s split between perception, charisma, and intelligence, for the most part.
Intelligence is being able to describe why rain exists and why it is raining. Wisdom is understanding that you can do the above while not standing in a rainstorm
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Wasn’t it copper-silver-electrum-gold-platinum? That would be the order of value as I remember it but I haven’t looked at the boxed stuff in years.
You’d think, but nope. Not as I recall.
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I have never seen Intelligence contrasted with Wisdom in a way that felt fitting. Does an intelligent person not know when not to speak?
I attribute it like the line, “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn’t stop to think if they should.” Just because someome is brainy and knows a lot of specialized facts doesn’t mean they’ll always make wise decisions.
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CHA is knowing what to say to get what you want.
A paladin uses CHA because they have to know exactly what to say to their deity to get the result they need. If they can’t rizz up their gods, they get no power.
Paladin doesn’t use CHA with their god, they use it to lure the common people TO their god. So they gets more powah.
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i like how according to this everyone just has a big stick stowed away somehere
edit: wait now that i looked again, those are the exact stats for a fist in pf2e if you were level 0 and trained in unarmed attacks
assuming dnd fists work similarly, why didn’t they just put in a fist instead of a club?
Because DnD fists do 1 + STR damage, no dice at all.
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Hah! Good one!
I wish I were smart enough to think of it myself, but I heard it somewhere
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Paladin doesn’t use CHA with their god, they use it to lure the common people TO their god. So they gets more powah.
Yeah the original description sounds more like a warlock. Which, what’s the diff between a hexblade and a pally really
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I have never seen Intelligence contrasted with Wisdom in a way that felt fitting. Does an intelligent person not know when not to speak?
You have not my family I take it. Lots of book learning, no ability to shut up
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Paladin doesn’t use CHA with their god, they use it to lure the common people TO their god. So they gets more powah.
A fun campaign i played was where the DM set up the scenario where I, a high level Paladin, gave up on my Diety and basically switched religions. That one was fun.
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jpegging a pdf will do that for you
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My prime example would be Donald Trump. Hideously looking and true evil while dumping strength, dexterity, constitution (unfortunately not enough), intelligence and wisdom, but he undeniably has at least an 18 in charisma.
Tbh I don’t really get why though. Clearly he’s good at getting people to listen, but… why?
Hitler was similar (except I’d say better looking) but listening to his speeches I at least get how he had crowds cheering. Trump could say things I agree with and I’d still not want to listen to him.
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wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad
charisma is selling salsa
You went a few steps too far.
Charisma is your ability to sell a tomato based fruit salad
Wouldn’t that be Salsa?
Guys, I found the bard!
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I have never seen Intelligence contrasted with Wisdom in a way that felt fitting. Does an intelligent person not know when not to speak?
High intelligence low wisdom turns you into an unskippable cutscene of deep exposition.
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One of the things I liked about the Chronicles of Darkness system is it cleared this up nicely. Stats were in a 3x3 grid.
One axis was physical, mental, social
The other was Power, Finesse, Resistance.
Want to shove something? Physical + Power. That’s strength.
Want to figure out a riddle? Mental + Finesse. That’s
DexterityWits. (Edit: wrote dexterity originally, meant Wits)Command attention? Social + Power. That’s the Presence stat.
Lie and misdirect? Social + Finesse. Stat was called Manipulation.
Now you can have a character that’s commanding without also being a natural liar and flirt. DND doesn’t help let you do that because the concepts are bundled together into a single stat.
(You could invest separately into like Expression for making speeches and Deception for lying, of course)
Humans are rated 1 to 5, where a 5 is the peak of human capability. Presence 5 is like AAA movie stars and great leaders.
Of course, if you add supernaturals to your game a starting chump vampire could have seven presence if they take Majesty as their power, and become a nearly irresistible magnet of attention.
Want to figure out a riddle? Mental + Finesse. That’s Dexterity.
Wait, wouldn’t it make sense to figure out a riddle with Intelligence? And for Dexterity to be Physical + Finesse?
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i like how according to this everyone just has a big stick stowed away somehere
edit: wait now that i looked again, those are the exact stats for a fist in pf2e if you were level 0 and trained in unarmed attacks
assuming dnd fists work similarly, why didn’t they just put in a fist instead of a club?
I mean, plenty of people might be walking around with something roughly stick-shaped. Be it a broom, a shovel or an umbrella, it’s all a more effective weapon than bare hands
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Want to figure out a riddle? Mental + Finesse. That’s Dexterity.
Wait, wouldn’t it make sense to figure out a riddle with Intelligence? And for Dexterity to be Physical + Finesse?
Riddles are often lateral thinking or other cleverness, so they seem more finesse than power. But yes, I wrote “dexterity” when I meant “Wits”.
