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  • N nuxcom_90percent@lemmy.zip

    Yeah… a LOT of the Drow lore got amped up around the time Salvatore was writing about Drizzt.

    Some of it was like “the Tau are actually led by mind control” in that it was always there but mostly ignored. But most of the REAL fucked up “let’s have an orgy with your siblings” stuff was very much done to make Drizzt cooler and… yeah…

    Its why anyone who insists “they ruined Forgotten Realms” and “We need to go back to the good old days” deserves some massive side eyeing,

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    dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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    #21

    The Tau thing is interesting because people got that idea from a source that you’re supposed to recognize is an Imperial anti-xeno propaganda manual.

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    • T themeatbridge

      The worst part about irrelevant lore tidbits like this is that you know some sweaty dweeb thought of it whilst masturbating.

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      captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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      #22

      Ed Greenwood chief among them

      Edit: my autistic wife has informed me that that one wasn’t him

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      • A archpawn@lemmy.world

        Tiger sharks do that. It makes a certain amount of sense. Though it’s odd that it’s just that one kind of elf. It would fit better for a more monstrous race.

        But the thing about being orgasmic is just bizarre.

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        captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        The entirety of the drow is inspired by old femdom porn mixed with a violent ultra competitive society like the worst of Rome, the middle ages, and cyberpunk corpratism combined. They were considered an evil race for the entire life of that concept.

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        • A archpawn@lemmy.world

          Would they even know?

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          soup@lemmy.world
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          I mean, we know that there are sharks which do that. If we can figure that out about a large, tooth-filled, ocean-going species then I think Drow could figure it out about themselves.

          Either way, it’s better than saying that lady drow get off to their kids eating eachother.

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          • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

            Drow are elves that got twisted specifically by Lloth into hypercompetitiveness among other things.

            It’s cringe but it’s strangely logical cringe.

            There’s actually a lot of metaphysical logic behind the reason there’s like a thousand kinds of elf and they’re all separate races with notable physical differences unlike other groups that mostly settle with “these halflings are taller”

            Tl;Dr elves were originally eladrin, the champion race of good/chaotic. Their chaotic nature means that their children adopt the traits of their environment but as they’re a deliberate Tolkien reference having left their native plane is functionally their original sin, like the elves leaving Valinor in LotR. (Unless I’m misremembering the specifics, but the vibe is still right)

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            archpawn@lemmy.world
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            What exactly is logical about this detail? Is a pregnant drow orgasming for no apparent reason going to drive her to be more competitive?

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            • A archpawn@lemmy.world

              What exactly is logical about this detail? Is a pregnant drow orgasming for no apparent reason going to drive her to be more competitive?

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              bane_killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Do you think a fight to the death does not jostle the walls?

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              • B bane_killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                Do you think a fight to the death does not jostle the walls?

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                archpawn@lemmy.world
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                It’s hardly going to be the only jostling in there.

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                  Pretty much everything about drow lore is mega yikes tbh. It’s no surprise that PF2E was basically like “no fuck you theres no such thing as a drow, leave them in the past”

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                  huf [he/him]
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                  #28

                  everything about the standard fantasy evil races is super problematic. this goes all the way back to tolkien’s “can orcs go to heaven” ponderings.

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                  • K knitwitt@lemmy.world

                    Ed Greenwood, as pictured, wrote almost the entirety of the forgotten realms lore. They are an incredibly accomplished writer, and are responsible for a lot of iconic elements of modern D&D.

                    Yes, some of his contributions are disturbing and fetishy, but that’s a small minority compared to the vast number of things put out. Contrary to what others may be implying here, I feel that avoiding his work out of distaste will leave you much worse off than exploring it with the understanding that some stuff will get freaky, and that you have the ability to leave that at the door when it comes to your own table.

                    If you’re at all a fan of the forgotten realms, I would highly recommend checking out his YouTube channel which contains a treasure trove of creative D&D cannon not published everywhere else.

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                    bloodbrandy@ttrpg.network
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                    #29

                    Ed can be praised and blamed for a lot of things, but I don’t think this specific bit is him

                    Looking it up, this is from Dragon Magazine 298 in an article by Robin D. Laws

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                    • C captainlezbian@lemmy.world

                      Ed Greenwood chief among them

                      Edit: my autistic wife has informed me that that one wasn’t him

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                      bloodbrandy@ttrpg.network
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                      Yeah seems to be by Robin D Laws in Dragon Magazine 298

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                      • A archpawn@lemmy.world

                        What exactly is logical about this detail? Is a pregnant drow orgasming for no apparent reason going to drive her to be more competitive?

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                        dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                        When you hear “Lloth twisted” you could substitute “magically bioengineered” if that helps. Her goal was to turn an essentialist race of good/chaotic beings into lawful/evil ones, to do that she made physical changes that reinforce her desired behaviors.

                        Lloth linked unavoidable fetal Social Darwinism into physical pleasure for the future matriarchs of her new elven society. Lloth wanted a society that glorified the survival of the fittest above practically all else, and this was a means towards the end.

                        Yes, it’s edgy cringe, but that’s the point: this is a setting with objective capital-E Evil gods and Evil is fucking cringe.

                        (Also it was made by horny super dweebs)

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                        • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                          When you hear “Lloth twisted” you could substitute “magically bioengineered” if that helps. Her goal was to turn an essentialist race of good/chaotic beings into lawful/evil ones, to do that she made physical changes that reinforce her desired behaviors.

                          Lloth linked unavoidable fetal Social Darwinism into physical pleasure for the future matriarchs of her new elven society. Lloth wanted a society that glorified the survival of the fittest above practically all else, and this was a means towards the end.

                          Yes, it’s edgy cringe, but that’s the point: this is a setting with objective capital-E Evil gods and Evil is fucking cringe.

                          (Also it was made by horny super dweebs)

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                          archpawn@lemmy.world
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                          It still doesn’t help. I could see the point in a drow orgasming from eating another drow. Or even ordering another drow to eat someone. But from a drow in her womb that she has no control over eating its twin? That doesn’t encourage any sort of behavior, beyond getting pregnant and hoping they get lucky. And you can do that a lot better just by making them orgasm from the act of getting pregnant.

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                          • K knitwitt@lemmy.world

                            Ed Greenwood, as pictured, wrote almost the entirety of the forgotten realms lore. They are an incredibly accomplished writer, and are responsible for a lot of iconic elements of modern D&D.

                            Yes, some of his contributions are disturbing and fetishy, but that’s a small minority compared to the vast number of things put out. Contrary to what others may be implying here, I feel that avoiding his work out of distaste will leave you much worse off than exploring it with the understanding that some stuff will get freaky, and that you have the ability to leave that at the door when it comes to your own table.

                            If you’re at all a fan of the forgotten realms, I would highly recommend checking out his YouTube channel which contains a treasure trove of creative D&D cannon not published everywhere else.

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                            jarix@lemmy.world
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                            Seems the channel name or link is missing

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                              It still doesn’t help. I could see the point in a drow orgasming from eating another drow. Or even ordering another drow to eat someone. But from a drow in her womb that she has no control over eating its twin? That doesn’t encourage any sort of behavior, beyond getting pregnant and hoping they get lucky. And you can do that a lot better just by making them orgasm from the act of getting pregnant.

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                              dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                              If you don’t see how a literal Darwinian struggle resulting in both physical pleasure and a direct demonstration of your god’s philosophy follows a logical chain of thought that’s just a straight up skill issue.

                              Would it help if you knew that they live in the Underdark, aka the womb of the earth, and their ultimate goal is to burst out of that womb and reconquer the sunlit surface?

                              Like, it’s not really subtle once you have the required background lore. Pretty blatant metaphor, in fact.

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                              • J jarix@lemmy.world

                                Seems the channel name or link is missing

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                                knitwitt@lemmy.world
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                                The channel is just called Ed Greenwood.

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                                • C captainlezbian@lemmy.world

                                  Ed Greenwood chief among them

                                  Edit: my autistic wife has informed me that that one wasn’t him

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                                  tgirlschierke
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                                  Edit

                                  force of habit?

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                                  • K knitwitt@lemmy.world

                                    The channel is just called Ed Greenwood.

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                                    jarix@lemmy.world
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                                    Ahh. Thanks

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                                      Edit

                                      force of habit?

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                                      captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                                      Yeah, also funnier and fitting

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                                        monkemischief@lemmy.today
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                                        I feel like this is relevant lol.

                                        But know what? I’m glad we’re in a world where fantasy authors can be cringe sometimes.

                                        Not every idea hits, and sometimes like this it’s downright gross and I don’t like it, but I’m glad they are free to give bad ideas a try, because in the end it really is whatever we want it to be.

                                        We can take what we like, and leave what’s better left.

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