W....why
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Pretty much everything about drow lore is mega yikes tbh. It’s no surprise that PF2E was basically like “no fuck you theres no such thing as a drow, leave them in the past”
everything about the standard fantasy evil races is super problematic. this goes all the way back to tolkien’s “can orcs go to heaven” ponderings.
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Ed Greenwood, as pictured, wrote almost the entirety of the forgotten realms lore. They are an incredibly accomplished writer, and are responsible for a lot of iconic elements of modern D&D.
Yes, some of his contributions are disturbing and fetishy, but that’s a small minority compared to the vast number of things put out. Contrary to what others may be implying here, I feel that avoiding his work out of distaste will leave you much worse off than exploring it with the understanding that some stuff will get freaky, and that you have the ability to leave that at the door when it comes to your own table.
If you’re at all a fan of the forgotten realms, I would highly recommend checking out his YouTube channel which contains a treasure trove of creative D&D cannon not published everywhere else.
Ed can be praised and blamed for a lot of things, but I don’t think this specific bit is him
Looking it up, this is from Dragon Magazine 298 in an article by Robin D. Laws
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Ed Greenwood chief among them
Edit: my autistic wife has informed me that that one wasn’t him
Yeah seems to be by Robin D Laws in Dragon Magazine 298
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What exactly is logical about this detail? Is a pregnant drow orgasming for no apparent reason going to drive her to be more competitive?
When you hear “Lloth twisted” you could substitute “magically bioengineered” if that helps. Her goal was to turn an essentialist race of good/chaotic beings into lawful/evil ones, to do that she made physical changes that reinforce her desired behaviors.
Lloth linked unavoidable fetal Social Darwinism into physical pleasure for the future matriarchs of her new elven society. Lloth wanted a society that glorified the survival of the fittest above practically all else, and this was a means towards the end.
Yes, it’s edgy cringe, but that’s the point: this is a setting with objective capital-E Evil gods and Evil is fucking cringe.
(Also it was made by horny super dweebs)
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When you hear “Lloth twisted” you could substitute “magically bioengineered” if that helps. Her goal was to turn an essentialist race of good/chaotic beings into lawful/evil ones, to do that she made physical changes that reinforce her desired behaviors.
Lloth linked unavoidable fetal Social Darwinism into physical pleasure for the future matriarchs of her new elven society. Lloth wanted a society that glorified the survival of the fittest above practically all else, and this was a means towards the end.
Yes, it’s edgy cringe, but that’s the point: this is a setting with objective capital-E Evil gods and Evil is fucking cringe.
(Also it was made by horny super dweebs)
It still doesn’t help. I could see the point in a drow orgasming from eating another drow. Or even ordering another drow to eat someone. But from a drow in her womb that she has no control over eating its twin? That doesn’t encourage any sort of behavior, beyond getting pregnant and hoping they get lucky. And you can do that a lot better just by making them orgasm from the act of getting pregnant.
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Ed Greenwood, as pictured, wrote almost the entirety of the forgotten realms lore. They are an incredibly accomplished writer, and are responsible for a lot of iconic elements of modern D&D.
Yes, some of his contributions are disturbing and fetishy, but that’s a small minority compared to the vast number of things put out. Contrary to what others may be implying here, I feel that avoiding his work out of distaste will leave you much worse off than exploring it with the understanding that some stuff will get freaky, and that you have the ability to leave that at the door when it comes to your own table.
If you’re at all a fan of the forgotten realms, I would highly recommend checking out his YouTube channel which contains a treasure trove of creative D&D cannon not published everywhere else.
Seems the channel name or link is missing
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It still doesn’t help. I could see the point in a drow orgasming from eating another drow. Or even ordering another drow to eat someone. But from a drow in her womb that she has no control over eating its twin? That doesn’t encourage any sort of behavior, beyond getting pregnant and hoping they get lucky. And you can do that a lot better just by making them orgasm from the act of getting pregnant.
If you don’t see how a literal Darwinian struggle resulting in both physical pleasure and a direct demonstration of your god’s philosophy follows a logical chain of thought that’s just a straight up skill issue.
Would it help if you knew that they live in the Underdark, aka the womb of the earth, and their ultimate goal is to burst out of that womb and reconquer the sunlit surface?
Like, it’s not really subtle once you have the required background lore. Pretty blatant metaphor, in fact.
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Seems the channel name or link is missing
The channel is just called Ed Greenwood.
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Ed Greenwood chief among them
Edit: my autistic wife has informed me that that one wasn’t him
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force of habit?
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The channel is just called Ed Greenwood.
Ahh. Thanks
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force of habit?
Yeah, also funnier and fitting
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I feel like this is relevant lol.
But know what? I’m glad we’re in a world where fantasy authors can be cringe sometimes.
Not every idea hits, and sometimes like this it’s downright gross and I don’t like it, but I’m glad they are free to give bad ideas a try, because in the end it really is whatever we want it to be.
We can take what we like, and leave what’s better left.
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The “mother finds this orgasmic” part doesn’t add to how disturbing the concept is though it just makes me feel weird about the writer
It absolutely makes it more disturbing, get out of here with your babies eating each other is fine, but a shitty mother enjoying it is fetish stuff moral high ground nonsense.
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Oh, old D&D was pretty weird, and there have been writers saying some real weird shit. There’s disturbing and there’s that, something that’s not necessary if you have a decent amount of writing skill.
Hell, they could have just not used “orgasmic” and just said “this is respected in drow society”.
They could have just not said anything about two babies eating each other too, but you are worried about the pleasure part of it? Lord forbid someone mention pregnancy and sex in the same sentence.
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They could have just not said anything about two babies eating each other too, but you are worried about the pleasure part of it? Lord forbid someone mention pregnancy and sex in the same sentence.
There is a stark difference between something we’ve literally observed in nature and claiming that a drow woman would derive sexual pleasure from it. And don’t try and tell me “lol can’t have pregnancy without sex” as if you’re that daft that you actually think that argument isn’t 100% garbage in this case.
Come on, be serious.
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It absolutely makes it more disturbing, get out of here with your babies eating each other is fine, but a shitty mother enjoying it is fetish stuff moral high ground nonsense.
I dunno dude, I disagree with you and seemingly a great deal of other people do too, but you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. No need to insult me to make your point.
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