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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    @swetland The UK had regional plug variations until the 1920s/30s and then a huge push to standardize and rewire the nation from the late 1940s onwards that took decades to run to completion.

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    @cstross Suspected it might be something like that. Deferring to the appliance/device purchaser is a fascinating approach.

    I grew up during the conversion to grounded outlets and from Bell System to Modular phone jacks, so it's not like we didn't have plenty of connector weirdness on this side of the pond too.

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    • Christian SieversS Christian Sievers

      @nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

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      #100

      @Sie @nygl @cstross That's a pain you have to rewire it every time you want to pull out the plug. Neutral on the case and an earth that doubles as a live is an interesting choice.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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        #101

        @cstross Jesus Christ. AI was supposed to make the competition more fierce for the Nobel Prize. Instead, it's gonna sweep the fucking Darwin Awards.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

          Notes for Americans:

          1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

          2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

          3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

          Stuart Longland (VK4MSL)S This user is from outside of this forum
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          #102

          @cstross I would have thought, given it appears to be connecting live to earth, it'd trip the RCD rather quickly.

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          • tautologyT tautology

            @ssilvonen @cstross Ackroyd the Barbarian wi' 'is warsheep and scout ferret. 'e adjusts his warcap and lights his Woodbine. as 'e descends to cleanse the lands of rogue Lancastrians.

            Wi' his warcry of "Yorkshire, Yorkshire, dust tha want braying"?

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            #103

            @tautology @ssilvonen @cstross I feel I need to here more of the tales of Ackroyd, prithee, tell us what are the best things in life?

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

              Notes for Americans:

              1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

              2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

              3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

              TC Won't Give In To LiesT This user is from outside of this forum
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              TC Won't Give In To Lies
              wrote last edited by
              #104

              @cstross

              AI 101: never believe any answer AI gives you.

              AI is for entertainment purposes only. It has zero functionality to ensure it's replies are correct. Worse, it is designed to make it's nonsense replies sound as plausible as possible.

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                Notes for Americans:

                1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                Ross BurtonR This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote last edited by
                #105

                @cstross And of course being a probabilistic bullshit machine, ask again and you get a different diagram. ChatGPT 5.2 just produced this beauty for me.

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                • Christian SieversS Christian Sievers

                  @nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #106

                  @Sie @nygl @cstross No no, this one is for Europeean Schuko Plugs. Completely different thing.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                    Notes for Americans:

                    1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                    2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                    3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                    Mistake not ...Z This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #107

                    @cstross I love those plugs I can open with a screw driver ... those are lifesafers when you want to hook up your solder jobs (mostly high power bench supplies and audio amplifiers with 100-1000 W) had to cut up sooo many perfectly fine cables until I found one where the plug had a screw to open it.

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                      Notes for Americans:

                      1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                      2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                      3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                      MikeStokM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #108

                      @cstross @nomenloony maybe the AI enjoys listening to Hawkwind who had this on the back cover of their PXR5 album?

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                        wrote last edited by
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                        @cstross

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                        • Christian SieversS Christian Sievers

                          @nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

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                          Dan O'GinnecD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Dan O'Ginnec
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                          #110

                          @Sie @nygl @cstross

                          This is what you get if you use a very old Generative AI:

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                          George BG Splendid AlexS Chuckles β€οΈπŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦β€οΈC 3 Replies Last reply
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                          • Christian SieversS Christian Sievers

                            @nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

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                            Volker StolzF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @Sie @nygl @cstross Fun fact: the Europeeans are now all extinct due to electrocution (eelectrocution? eleectrocution?!).

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                              Notes for Americans:

                              1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                              2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                              3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                              Albert HickeyW This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Albert Hickey
                              wrote last edited by
                              #112

                              @cstross

                              Copilot just now with prompt.
                              show me a picture to explain how to wire a UK plug

                              Interested in the Earth being a 4th pin and the Earth pin having a live (coloured) wire going to it.
                              Also, a screw labelled as LIVE is concerning.

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                              • Dan O'GinnecD Dan O'Ginnec

                                @Sie @nygl @cstross

                                This is what you get if you use a very old Generative AI:

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                                #113

                                @Sie @nygl @cstross @DanKen

                                I do miss how janky the outputs were for those

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

                                  Stephen J HenstridgeH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @cstross Look carefully - designed by M.C. Escher

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                                    Notes for Americans:

                                    1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                                    2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                                    3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                                    ChristopherD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Christopher
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                                    #115

                                    @cstross When people used to list life skills they thought should be taught in schools rather than academic subjects, how to wire a plug was a popular choice. So also was how to balance a chequebook.

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                                    • MauriceB Maurice

                                      @tautology @ssilvonen @cstross I feel I need to here more of the tales of Ackroyd, prithee, tell us what are the best things in life?

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                                      #116

                                      @barnesmaurice @ssilvonen @cstross Food, beer, a warm sheep and companions. Wait, 'OW MUCH! Nah, tha can all bugger off and leave me t'misen.

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                                      • Albert HickeyW Albert Hickey

                                        @cstross

                                        Copilot just now with prompt.
                                        show me a picture to explain how to wire a UK plug

                                        Interested in the Earth being a 4th pin and the Earth pin having a live (coloured) wire going to it.
                                        Also, a screw labelled as LIVE is concerning.

                                        Albert HickeyW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Albert Hickey
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                                        #117

                                        @cstross

                                        Tried asking how to use a chainsaw and Copilot refused.
                                        So, chainsaw dangerous wiring a plug is OK.

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                                        • MH ThaungM MH Thaung

                                          @cstross Seems it would save time just to stick your fingers directly into the socket, no?

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                                          #118

                                          @mhthaung @cstross I expect ChatGPT has instructions for that

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