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  • ParsingphaseP Parsingphase

    @cstross Ok I think I know who did the wiring in my house now. They literally painted the end of the wire when they used the wrong one.

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    @parsingphase @cstross ayfkm

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    • Eric GoodwinA Eric Goodwin

      @cstross Blive implies the existence of a Bdead

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      @cstross @auxonic blive implies the existence of bneutral and bground?

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      • JonO Jon

        @cstross I figure at the rate of the Accelerando, we are no more than weeks away from "agentic AI" demanding access to people's financial accounts. Hopefully some of those people will be billionaires drinking their own Kool-Aid.

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        @oddhack @cstross

        Don't worry, your bank will do it for you.

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        (www.macquarie.com.au)

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

          Notes for Americans:

          1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

          2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

          3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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          @cstross I'm leaning toward "boom" with these. But I'm not an electrician.

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

            Notes for Americans:

            1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

            2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

            3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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            @cstross Oh my god.

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            • sabikS sabik

              @moz @cstross
              I mean, you'd hope that a plug which shorts live and earth would just trip the house breaker or RCD, but it could also make nearby appliances live or cause a fire, if there's a fault or if the rest of the wiring is to the same standard

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              @sabik @moz @cstross Guess it depends how the fuse /breakers are wired in and whether they were also wired using LLMs

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              • Rolf Steinort (314.8 ppm)R Rolf Steinort (314.8 ppm)

                @cstross Escher's Suicide Plug

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                @rstein @cstross Love Escher
                very good

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                • tautologyT tautology

                  @cstross I do these threads every so often. My most recent one was on my Bluesky where I got four LLMs to draw maps progressively getting more zoomed in (the World, Europe, UK, Yorkshire, York).

                  Things got worse each time you zoomed in, sometimes with "memories" from the previous image. My favourite was the attached version of Yorkshire.

                  I'll do another one in a month or two.

                  Link Preview Image
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                  @tautology @cstross Great map! Now you just have to ask AI to write the fantasy book to match it.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                    Notes for Americans:

                    1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                    2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                    3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                    @cstross

                    But sure, let's become "an AI nation", build "AI gigafactories" in order "not to be left behind" ... /s

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                    • Joe BayesJ Joe Bayes

                      @cstross You...you had to wire your own plugs? Seriously?

                      How many people killed themselves each year because they didn't know how to do it properly and were too impatient to wait for someone who did?

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                      @cstross @jbayes

                      I learned to wire plugs from "Blue Peter". That TV program was very involved in the transition from the old round-pin system.

                      Details of electrical wiring have had many changes since then. My grandfather was a qualified electrician, trained before WW1. Many of the don't-kill-yourself rules that he taught me don't depend on colour-codes or the design of a screw-head.

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                        @cstross@wandering.shop smh, kids today wouldn't know even what to hook the blive wire up to.

                        it's nice that they've labelled the neutral tone area of the picture, though.

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                        • Sarianna SilvonenS Sarianna Silvonen

                          @tautology @cstross Great map! Now you just have to ask AI to write the fantasy book to match it.

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                          @ssilvonen @cstross Ackroyd the Barbarian wi' 'is warsheep and scout ferret. 'e adjusts his warcap and lights his Woodbine. as 'e descends to cleanse the lands of rogue Lancastrians.

                          Wi' his warcry of "Yorkshire, Yorkshire, dust tha want braying"?

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                            Notes for Americans:

                            1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                            2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                            3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                            shift/resetS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #77

                            @cstross at least in my secondary school, they were still teaching you how to do it in the early 00s

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                            • Daniel CarosoneU Daniel Carosone

                              @cstross only missing the enormous rat-penis

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                              @uep You called, sir?

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                              • LisPiL LisPi
                                @cstross I'd kind of hope the government actually provides a guide for citizen on their websites and/or other convenient information outlets.
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                                @cstross @lispi314 It hasn't been relevant since websites entered the general public's consciousness. I became an adult a few years after the relevant change in the law and I've been a (mostly ...) perfectly functional adult for the three decades or so ever since without ever having bothered to learn how to wire a plug. Literally never needed that skill.

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                                • shift/resetS shift/reset

                                  @cstross at least in my secondary school, they were still teaching you how to do it in the early 00s

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                                  @cstross @shift_reset My A-level computing class in the late 1990s taught me about mainframes. I think curriculums tend to lag reality somewhat.

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                                    @cstross Seems it would save time just to stick your fingers directly into the socket, no?

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                                      Notes for Americans:

                                      1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                                      2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                                      3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                                      Brian SwetlandS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @cstross Was (1) due to variation in outlet designs in different locales or some other reason?

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                                      • Steve GloverA Steve Glover

                                        @cstross 1.a) The UK still had homes wired with the old round pin (2,5,15 amp) plugs until stupidly late.

                                        A 2a round pin gave just enough energy to use a wee heating element to boil a cup of water.

                                        For 13A plugs, the lowest available fuse was 3A so an old boilette could overheat for minutes before the fuse would blow....

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                                        @akicif I know: I grew up in one of those houses. (It was rewired when I was 13.)

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                                        • DressToKILTD DressToKILT

                                          @cstross as an American who was awake and aware prior to 1992 and growing up in a house with multiple appliances from the 60s, I can attest that the only household appliances I ever saw that did not include pre-molded plugs were washing machines, and the one I bought in 2024 was the same way. Agree with the other two. Most houses of the day had a 230 outlet specifically for the air conditioner. Washers tend to be 230 as well. We have standardized on dumb.

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                                          @dresstokilt I'm talking about the UK. Where EVERYTHING runs on 230v and nothing came with a plug prior to 1992. Read for context!

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