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@Em0nM4stodon I know i keep trying to find a good side, while at the same time i disagree with age checks for most things. I am just trying to provoke thoughts about any side i care about.
I am all for privacy and a free Internet. I don't think age checks are the solution for social media, especially with the current methods. The EU eID would improve it but i would still rather have none at all in this context. Social media should be regulated, not age gated.
@Em0nM4stodon True, they don't facilitate surveillence, but someone can get a very bad reaction from it. What i meant is that it's impossible to make anything 100% safe.
@Em0nM4stodon Oh, i do understand privacy concerns very well. Information is power.
@Em0nM4stodon I promise i will check it. Thanks.
And i guess this would be a good reason to not over-implement it for things we don't need it. It should not be used for social media, it's so unnecessary i think.
@Em0nM4stodon So your point is that "no system is safe"? I would agree with that, but vaccines are not 100% safe either yet we should still take them. The importance is to make it as safe as possible, and it has to be safe enough. Everything is corruptable, with physical ID too ( they could be taking photos for all i know ).
@Em0nM4stodon Plus... do adults not matter? Regulating social media would make it healthier for everyone, child or adult. 2/2
@Em0nM4stodon What i hate about age checks in social media is that they say it's to protect children from the toxicity of social media.
How about governments try to actually regulate social media instead of outright banning children? Social media can be a good source of social integration and information ( being a queer child that lives with queerphobe parents, for instance, may only get queer support from people on the internet 
). 1/2
@Em0nM4stodon I appreciate the genuine conversation, by the way. I understand it can be a touchy topic for some.
RE: https://federate.social/@jik/116115336623105287
What about this person's response?
And BTW, we already had ID checks for a very long time. The only difference with such infrastructure would be "safer".
Countries blocking social media to children is a different problem altogether, and i disagree with it for the most part.
Online shops can require your ID, so can video platforms like YouTube or CornHub. For official EU petitions, you need your eID to verify you are actually a EU citizen.
I'd rather trust a senior IT engineer than someone that just shouts "authoritarianism".
I understand your distrust, but you are blowing it out of proportion. It is possible to design an infrastructure that is safe. The only concern now is how will they use it, what will they block behind ID checks, and that is more concerning and rightfully so.
But we can't outright ban ID checks either. I'd rather not have children get addicted to smoking at 10.
@0x4d6165 Just look up "sweden digital id".
We have eID here in Italy too, but it's not used for much.
@Em0nM4stodon What about an open source solution that doesn't collect anything, and it simply tells the website "yes" or "no"?
@0x4d6165 There already are digital ID systems like EU's proposal that are implemented by governments around the world. For instance, Sweden has it ( y'know, one of the most progressive countries in the world ), so does Denmark, Canada, etc. I don't see how they affected negatively anyone in particular.
I don't see "basics of authoritarianism" anywhere in here like USA is doing, where they censor queerness and spread disinformation to control people.
@0x4d6165 It means people can check the code and see what it really does. It's supposed to simply give a yes or no, nothing else. Or do you think this is still corruptable?
@0x4d6165 The methods they use are terrible but it can be done safely, look at EU's proposed app which would make the government check your age, not random private companies. And the government would simply tell the website "yes" or "no", without any identifiable information. So the problem would not persist. It's also open source.
Would you still be against that? If so, why?
@0x4d6165 @Em0nM4stodon I love when people block for having a genuine question, instead of having a productive conversation. /s
So silly.
