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@ricci @mmasnick @mastodonmigration @mmasnick.bsky.social

Yes, agreed that fediblock is a text book example how decentralization works well in practice.

Well, then #bluesky credible exit is the same as decentralization support of #atproto: cool tech, nice theory, clever marketing trick, but largely irrelevant in reality. Btw, #twitter has a credible exit too: just export your data and import it into something new.

PS: any chance of an explanation of
https://mastodon.social/@folkerschamel/115184281756139935 ?

@ricci @mmasnick @mastodonmigration @mmasnick.bsky.social

To add, I think the credible exit argument falls apart in reality anyway. See reality check Mississippi blocking: Many people on bluesky seem to not like the decision, but at the same time I have seen nobody acting on it and moving to services that make a different decision.

BTW, using a different analysis only 7% of the fediverse seem to be known to block #threads, down from 9% last year, see also https://mastodon.social/@folkerschamel/111612927848322776.

@ricci @mmasnick @mastodonmigration @mmasnick.bsky.social

I didn't present it binary - I deliberately chose the words "completely centralized" versus "practically centralized" versus "decentralized".

And while of course centralization is not binary, and there are many discussions about details and about the future, we should not muddle the water and forget the overall big picture that for all practical purposes today bluesky is centralized and mastodon is decentralized.

@ricci @mmasnick @mastodonmigration @mmasnick.bsky.social

But even if all of #threads would be part of the #fediverse and make the fediverse practically centralized, it wouldn't change the the factual situation that
a) #mastodon is #decentralized,
b) #bluesky as being controlled by a single company is completely centralized, and
c) #atmosphere as being dominated by #bluesky is practically centralized.

@mmasnick.bsky.social

That's a deflection again. Nobody doubts that technically both #activitypub and #atproto support decentralization.

But the point is that *in practice* basically all #bluesky users are concentrated on infrastructure of a single company under US jurisdiction, while #mastodon users are distributed over many servers in many jurisdictions all over the world.

The consequences can be seen with Mississippi.

ikuturso (@ikuturso@mastodon.social)

@mmasnick.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy @folkerschamel @Gargron @stinerman @glyph I know that is a popular Bluesky cope and to be fair it has at times been true (outdated understanding of Jack Dorsey's role etc.) In this particular case I'd say you just refuse to understand what the criticism is here like your paycheck depended on it though.

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