Wandering Adventure Party

@dalias @lispi314 Yeah, the mutability argument is pretty weak; posts are already mutable: you can edit or entirely delete them. I don’t understand why that can’t extend to cutting off unwanted branches, or retroactively changing visibility.
If my post gets boosted too much and attracts toxic attention outside my usual community, my only options are to either bear the abuse (feebly blocking individuals) or to delete it for my followers too.
@scottjenson

@scottjenson I can imagine it’s no fun. Perhaps the Mastodon core team could learn from this experience by listening to the people who are hanging around *despite* the toxicity they experience?
And I’m sorry, but Fedi (& everywhere else) has been *chock full* of discussion and debate over disagreeing viewpoints on the whole AI thing for years. It gets rammed down our throats absolutely everywhere, so I don’t think arguing for more debate on that topic will get you much sympathy.

@scottjenson But it’s not “the community’s” fault - we don’t vote on who gets to join, and that’s kind of the point. You can run and moderate your *server* however you like, but if you’re just a user, you don’t have all that much control.
The people who have been bearing the brunt of the toxicity over the years have however suggested many a way to improve the situation, and so far it’s mostly gone unheard.
@dalias

@scottjenson @dalias So, any social network if a significant size has always had enclaves and subcultures; the federated nature here actively encourages that, so making generalisations about “THE community” is even more of a reach than elsewhere. There are thousands of communities here, most of them overlapping, some very much not because of defederation.
You can quickly get shitty replies if your audience is big enough for whatever reason. Yes, it’s a problem. But…

@dalias Yeah, see my second post, I couldn‘t quite squeeze all the context into one.
I really don‘t understand what @scottjenson is getting at, or why this sudden concern. I mean, it‘s great if they genuinely want to improve quality of discourse, but “hey, be nicer to the people shilling for the tech oligopoly that’s eating up all of the world’s energy & computer hardware, undermining labour, & stealing all the creative works in the world” hints at questionable motives.

@scottjenson @dalias I think much of the reason you’re receiving a less-than-friendly response is: there‘s a rather bitter irony to the fact that reps for the Mastodon organisation apparently are wondering whether something should be done about it now it’s affecting people pushing for an ultra-centralised technological future. And not when marginalised groups have asked for better moderation tools and the ability to limit who can reply to/mention them for literal years.

@scottjenson @dalias So, the harassment via randos (or bots) in mentions/replies has been a problem for at least as long as I‘ve been on the Fedi. You absolutely need standards on how to behave, and those need to be backed by technological and social mechanisms or things devolve into a toxic mess. I think most of us are with you so far. However…

@dalias @octothorpe @trisweb @cratermoon @scottjenson @Gargron Yeah, I don't know what Fedi everyone else has been hanging out on, but there seem to be plenty of "AI" believers on here. I used to follow quite a number of them prior to their going off the LLM deep end. I have to maintain an extensive filter list to avoid having that stuff constantly surface in my feed.
This whole thing is just another variant of the tired old "free speech means you have to listen to my crap" argument.

@skinnylatte The “no one way of life” thing resonates with me; I don’t set out to be the weirdo but just seem to end up prefer doing everything in a way that’s unusual. The UK seems to lean a lot more into “no one way” attitude than Central Europe, which made some aspects of life in Britain nicer/easier. (Though a bunch of other aspects were significantly worse from my point of view.) But yeah, that whole thing is probably why I periodically toy with the idea of moving elsewhere.

@teadrinker @robotistry In my experience, it’s mainly the corn flour that makes it go hard on cooling. (Microwave to soften!) Replacing corn with combinations of buckwheat, rice, chickpea, soy,… flours tends to largely solve that particular problem.
The different flours all have their own characteristics, so finding the right combo for each type of bake can be tricky. Being more specific about the way it goes wrong may help with getting better suggestions here. Keep at it!