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I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

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  • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X This user is from outside of this forum
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    I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

    Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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    • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

      I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

      Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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      That shit has done so much harm even here in Washington... a nominally and normally blue state adopted a law that forcibly outs queer kids in schools because of "parent's rights." No mention in the entire law of the fact that kids have their own rights, and that those rights include not being subjected to queerphobic violence at the hands of the state.

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      • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

        That shit has done so much harm even here in Washington... a nominally and normally blue state adopted a law that forcibly outs queer kids in schools because of "parent's rights." No mention in the entire law of the fact that kids have their own rights, and that those rights include not being subjected to queerphobic violence at the hands of the state.

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        Anyway, seeing that the title of the published bill to force age verification on all general purpose computers is the "Parents Decide Act" really serves as a poignant reminder of just how much harm adopting that right-wing framing has done.

        Glyph (@glyph@mastodon.social)

        @cwebber@social.coop @Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it @baconandcoconut@freeradical.zone “Parents Decide Act”. like they are cartoon authoritarians

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        • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

          Anyway, seeing that the title of the published bill to force age verification on all general purpose computers is the "Parents Decide Act" really serves as a poignant reminder of just how much harm adopting that right-wing framing has done.

          Glyph (@glyph@mastodon.social)

          @cwebber@social.coop @Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it @baconandcoconut@freeradical.zone “Parents Decide Act”. like they are cartoon authoritarians

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          Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X This user is from outside of this forum
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          (As an aside, I'm calling it "age verification" to reference media coverage, but even that is a pernicious disnomer. It's a requirement that identity be registered with a centralized agency, and that that centralized agency is a trusted attestor as to age. To wit, note how the iOS update to follow UK age verification laws mandates that users register their identities with US companies like credit card providers.)

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          • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

            That shit has done so much harm even here in Washington... a nominally and normally blue state adopted a law that forcibly outs queer kids in schools because of "parent's rights." No mention in the entire law of the fact that kids have their own rights, and that those rights include not being subjected to queerphobic violence at the hands of the state.

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            @xgranade I bring this up a lot, but a government report in the UK just last year showed that parents are responsible for 55% of cases of emotional child abuse, and 82% of cases of physical child abuse, and also that trans kids were over 80% more likely to be abused than cis kids.

            That didn't stop the government pulling the same shit, though. Or the Prime Minister openly, publicly, and unequivocally saying that children at an elevated risk of abuse should be exposed to the exact people statistically most likely to be their abusers.

            It's an atrocity.

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            • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

              (As an aside, I'm calling it "age verification" to reference media coverage, but even that is a pernicious disnomer. It's a requirement that identity be registered with a centralized agency, and that that centralized agency is a trusted attestor as to age. To wit, note how the iOS update to follow UK age verification laws mandates that users register their identities with US companies like credit card providers.)

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              @xgranade I'm also displeased that the "this is to protect the children from big tech!" line is apparently taken seriously.

              If technology companies hated the idea of tracking user ages at the OS level they would be making a bigger stink about it, and we would not be seeing so many similar bills advocating for just that pop up at the same time.

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              • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                Anyway, seeing that the title of the published bill to force age verification on all general purpose computers is the "Parents Decide Act" really serves as a poignant reminder of just how much harm adopting that right-wing framing has done.

                Glyph (@glyph@mastodon.social)

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                @xgranade Whereby parents deciding they want their kids to have access without surveillance are screwed.

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                • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                  Anyway, seeing that the title of the published bill to force age verification on all general purpose computers is the "Parents Decide Act" really serves as a poignant reminder of just how much harm adopting that right-wing framing has done.

                  Glyph (@glyph@mastodon.social)

                  @cwebber@social.coop @Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it @baconandcoconut@freeradical.zone “Parents Decide Act”. like they are cartoon authoritarians

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                  @xgranade Why can't we have a Parents Deicide Act instead.

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                  • Floaty BirbF Floaty Birb

                    @xgranade I'm also displeased that the "this is to protect the children from big tech!" line is apparently taken seriously.

                    If technology companies hated the idea of tracking user ages at the OS level they would be making a bigger stink about it, and we would not be seeing so many similar bills advocating for just that pop up at the same time.

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                    @floatybirb @xgranade Well, some people already can't use US credit cards precisely because of US politics. Notably some members of the International Criminal Court.

                    So their list of everyday annoyances expands to not being able to use most of the Internet in the UK I guess.

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                    • Floaty BirbF Floaty Birb

                      @xgranade I'm also displeased that the "this is to protect the children from big tech!" line is apparently taken seriously.

                      If technology companies hated the idea of tracking user ages at the OS level they would be making a bigger stink about it, and we would not be seeing so many similar bills advocating for just that pop up at the same time.

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                      Floaty Birb

                      this is to protect the children from big tech!"

                      It’s almost as if the people doing the thing that people need to be protected from should be forced to stop doing that thing, rather than the apparent victims having to be the ones restrained and restricted.

                      Besides, it’s not like the things that are harmful to children are somehow magically not harmful to adults. If big tech is hurting us, and they’re in an oligopoly position such that we can’t really avoid them, then arguments about adults getting to be free to make choices don’t really hold up. So… Burn them all.

                      Not that any of this is to protect people, children or otherwise.

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                      • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                        That shit has done so much harm even here in Washington... a nominally and normally blue state adopted a law that forcibly outs queer kids in schools because of "parent's rights." No mention in the entire law of the fact that kids have their own rights, and that those rights include not being subjected to queerphobic violence at the hands of the state.

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                        @xgranade it's okay, i am working on getting every democrat which voted for that turd of a law voted out.

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                        • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                          I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                          Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                          @xgranade they call you cassandra because you speak the truth and they never listen
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                          • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                            I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                            Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                            @xgranade i mean in many cases it seems "responsibilities too" seems to be functionally identical to "rights over"

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                            • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                              I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                              Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                              @xgranade ah, that's a good way to think about it! Thanks!

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                                @xgranade Why can't we have a Parents Deicide Act instead.

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                                @jwz @xgranade because old white pedos want to control other people's children and have an easy way to censor the Internet.

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                                • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                                  I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                                  Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                                  @xgranade Reminder: Adults above Children is a core US conservative value.

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                                  • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                                    I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                                    Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                                    @xgranade so glad my teen turned 18 last month before this kind of stuff really landed, but it's awful for parents and kids and everyone else.

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                                    • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                                      I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                                      Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                                      @xgranade

                                      > ll the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights"

                                      Strange left-wing you got in the US, there. Almost as if you have no left-wing at all and call approximately center left-wing...

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                                      • Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️X Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

                                        I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                                        Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                                        @xgranade
                                        It is one of the core differences.
                                        If they changed, they might judge their #gods.
                                        Neither would be bad.

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                                          this is to protect the children from big tech!"

                                          It’s almost as if the people doing the thing that people need to be protected from should be forced to stop doing that thing, rather than the apparent victims having to be the ones restrained and restricted.

                                          Besides, it’s not like the things that are harmful to children are somehow magically not harmful to adults. If big tech is hurting us, and they’re in an oligopoly position such that we can’t really avoid them, then arguments about adults getting to be free to make choices don’t really hold up. So… Burn them all.

                                          Not that any of this is to protect people, children or otherwise.

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