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Rockstar co-founder [Dan Houser] compares AI to 'mad cow disease,' and says the execs pushing it aren't 'fully-rounded humans'

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  • O oshaqhennessey@midwest.social

    Mad cow disease is caused by prions from dead cow brains infecting the healthy brains of living cows. It’s kind of the cow equivalent of Kuru.

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    greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I thought it wasn’t just any prions, but specific prions that replicate out of control after some time, depending on genetics. So cows were fed unclean bone meal from sheep and pigs and cows all mixed together, and they think some scrapie infected sheep spine/brain got in there and it spread to cows. Then it spread from there because we didn’t think cows could get it and even if they could we were pretty certain humans couldn’t get it. But we were wrong.

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    • G greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      I thought it wasn’t just any prions, but specific prions that replicate out of control after some time, depending on genetics. So cows were fed unclean bone meal from sheep and pigs and cows all mixed together, and they think some scrapie infected sheep spine/brain got in there and it spread to cows. Then it spread from there because we didn’t think cows could get it and even if they could we were pretty certain humans couldn’t get it. But we were wrong.

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      oshaqhennessey@midwest.social
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      Yeah, pretty sure you’re right. Though I’ll admit I’ve forgotten much more than I know on the topic.

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      • O onlinepersona@programming.dev

        Please be a nice bubble and pop soon, AI.

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        explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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        #39

        Stupid question: if you think it’s a good idea but don’t know when the price will go up, you just buy stock and wait. But if you think it’s a bad idea and don’t know when the price will go down, is there any long-term alternative to shorting that doesn’t require betting on the date?

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        • W wilco@lemmy.zip

          Well, he isn’t wrong.

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          savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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          #40

          …while his multibillion dollar company is union busting.

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          • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE explodicle@sh.itjust.works

            Stupid question: if you think it’s a good idea but don’t know when the price will go up, you just buy stock and wait. But if you think it’s a bad idea and don’t know when the price will go down, is there any long-term alternative to shorting that doesn’t require betting on the date?

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            onlinepersona@programming.dev
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            That’s a good question I dont have an answer to. Maybe there are ways to short where you can just hold, but I dont know how. Maybe there’s a way to borrow lots of RAM and GPUs, sell them, then buy them back when the price drops and sell them for cheap back to whom you borrowed. But I dont know who would make that deal.

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            • S savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca

              …while his multibillion dollar company is union busting.

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              townhousegloryhole@lemmy.world
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              He left Rockstar a few years ago.

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              • B boonhet@sopuli.xyz

                The ones that were fired 5 years after he left R*? I mean, it’d be nice if he did, but is he really at fault here?

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                反いじめ戦隊
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                #43

                If some of these 35 visa dependent worked for more than 9 years, I am pretty sure he was there when they were exploited to work there. There’s no indication that these workers have less than a 5 year tenure.

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                • Øπ3ŕO Øπ3ŕ

                  You think he was subconsciously hinting at his prominent cranium?

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                  Projection is a silly thing. Especially when it’s digressive.

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                  • B boonhet@sopuli.xyz

                    What’d he do?

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                    He hired the foreigners that were fired recently when he was still a founder.

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                    • T TheRealKuni

                      A man who left Rockstar five years before they fired people for discussing unionizing?

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                      #46

                      Refresh the thread. He hired the fired foreigners when he was still director.^CX^

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                      • O oshaqhennessey@midwest.social

                        Yeah, pretty sure you’re right. Though I’ll admit I’ve forgotten much more than I know on the topic.

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                        ripcord@lemmy.world
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                          He hired the foreigners that were fired recently when he was still a founder.

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                          boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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                          Fair enough, giving people jobs in a country where they can actually make a living is a bad thing.

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                          • 反いじめ戦隊A 反いじめ戦隊

                            Refresh the thread. He hired the fired foreigners when he was still director.^CX^

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                            cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                            I’m not following, he hired some people, then 5 years after he left someone else fired those people? Isn’t he more likely the good guy in the scenerio?

                            “How dare you give these people a job? That put them in a position where someone else could take away their job!”

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                            • B boonhet@sopuli.xyz

                              Fair enough, giving people jobs in a country where they can actually make a living is a bad thing.

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                              You legitimately believe visa workers were not threatened to be deported in the UK if they worked for less than their Unionized workers who actually negotiated for living wages‽ In the Brexit economy‽

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                                I’m not following, he hired some people, then 5 years after he left someone else fired those people? Isn’t he more likely the good guy in the scenerio?

                                “How dare you give these people a job? That put them in a position where someone else could take away their job!”

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                                It honestly depends how he hired them. If he offered them living wages, plus Visa fees, lawyers, and healthcare, he was a “good employer” when he hired them. The fact the union discord server is older than 5 years leads me to believe the visa dependent were offered less. So he exploited them knowing they can be deported as soon as the studio was done with them.

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                                  You legitimately believe visa workers were not threatened to be deported in the UK if they worked for less than their Unionized workers who actually negotiated for living wages‽ In the Brexit economy‽

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                                  boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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                                  You don’t have to threaten to deport your workers if you sign the contract beforehand though? Once they’ve agreed to the salary, they’ve agreed to it. Did they make less than a pureblood Brit in the same role? Perhaps. We don’t know that. But generally speaking, you don’t go importing labour unless you literally can’t find enough locals anymore. The bureaucracy nightmare isn’t worth the cost savings otherwise. Particularly because a lot of countries don’t allow you to pay the imported labour less than you’d pay your purebloods in the same role. Exception of course being people from countries with whom you have freedom of movement (so anything intra-EU is allowed)

                                  Also, it’s not like he was the CEO or something. He was the creative director. I swear some people just want to be angry at everyone.

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                                  • T townhousegloryhole@lemmy.world

                                    He left Rockstar a few years ago.

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                                    savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                                    #53

                                    Did I say he was union busting? Read the English. He started Rockstar.

                                    So maybe he is a little more qualified to criticize Rockstar management for being “fully rounded”.

                                    Was Rockstar unionized while he was there? No.

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                                    • S savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca

                                      Did I say he was union busting? Read the English. He started Rockstar.

                                      So maybe he is a little more qualified to criticize Rockstar management for being “fully rounded”.

                                      Was Rockstar unionized while he was there? No.

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                                      dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                      #54

                                      I mean you said his, which is factually incorrect as it isn’t his.

                                      Read the room bro and learn to take constructive criticism. It’s not a personal attack.

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                                      • B boonhet@sopuli.xyz

                                        You don’t have to threaten to deport your workers if you sign the contract beforehand though? Once they’ve agreed to the salary, they’ve agreed to it. Did they make less than a pureblood Brit in the same role? Perhaps. We don’t know that. But generally speaking, you don’t go importing labour unless you literally can’t find enough locals anymore. The bureaucracy nightmare isn’t worth the cost savings otherwise. Particularly because a lot of countries don’t allow you to pay the imported labour less than you’d pay your purebloods in the same role. Exception of course being people from countries with whom you have freedom of movement (so anything intra-EU is allowed)

                                        Also, it’s not like he was the CEO or something. He was the creative director. I swear some people just want to be angry at everyone.

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                                        If he wasn’t part of the hiring decisions, I take back what I said. But creative directors do influence who gets assigned roles in a studio, and what tasks get sent to the visa’d. There’s nothing indicating he wasn’t aware the studio hired visa workers when he worked there. Accents and vernaculars differ. I doubt he was oblivious that roles he assigned to foreigners were not hired to be exploited.

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                                        • O oshaqhennessey@midwest.social

                                          Mad cow disease is caused by prions from dead cow brains infecting the healthy brains of living cows. It’s kind of the cow equivalent of Kuru.

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                                          savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                                          Those prions can also infect humans leading to Creutzfeld Jacob syndrome. Prions can also come from wild deer species and infect through venison.

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