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Nintendo isn’t selling fewer Switches because people stopped liking handheld gaming.

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  • Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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    Nintendo isn’t selling fewer Switches because people stopped liking handheld gaming. They’re selling fewer Switches because the Switch stopped being a uniquely good deal.

    November data makes this uncomfortable. Switch 2 plus original Switch sold fewer units than the original Switch alone did last year. That’s not a launch bump. That’s cannibalization with shrinkage. New hardware arrived and total demand still went down.

    Price is the first problem. Switch 2 lands at about C$630 in Canada. That’s not outrageous in isolation, but it kills the old Switch’s role as the cheap second console. Late-cycle Switch hardware is supposed to get cheaper, not sit awkwardly just below the Switch 2 in price. The value ladder collapsed.

    The second problem is competition that Nintendo pretends doesn’t exist. People love saying Switch 2 vs handheld PCs is apples-to-oranges. Sure. But if you can make the comparison at all, it already matters.

    The MSI Handheld Claw A1M looks like a console. It feels like a console. It costs about C$650. That’s basically Switch 2 money. You don’t need a philosophy degree to see why consumers pause.

    On paper, the Claw is absurdly good for the price. PC-class Intel CPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD. Intel Arc graphics pushing roughly 4.6 TFLOPS in a handheld. But also: Windows, Steam, Game Pass, emulation. Plug in an eGPU later if you feel unwell and want to do something unhinged.

    Switch 2 is much more efficient and much more controlled. Yes, custom Nvidia silicon. But in comparison, it has drawbacks: 12GB RAM, 256GB internal storage, lower raw compute—especially handheld mode. But sure, I’ll acknowledge some heavily optimized games, neat DLSS tricks, and Nintendo polish.

    None of that changes the consumer math. At C$630, Switch 2 isn’t competing with a memory of the Switch anymore. It’s competing with devices that offer more hardware per dollar and a vastly larger software library. Even if most people still choose Nintendo, the pressure exists. That alone suppresses sales.

    And no, handheld PCs don’t need to outsell Switch 2 to matter. They just need to exist in the same price band while looking console-like. They’re not niche curiosities anymore. They’re awkward questions on a Best Buy shelf.

    There’s also macro reality. Hardware spending is down. Average prices paid are up. People are tired. When wallets tighten, value propositions get interrogated. Nintendo used to win those interrogations by default. Now they have to actually answer them.

    Switch 2 isn’t failing. But it’s no longer immune. The combined Switch numbers show that clearly. Nintendo built a great ecosystem. What they didn’t build this time is a moat around price.

    And once price stops being sacred, comparisons start happening whether anyone likes it or not.

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    • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

      Nintendo isn’t selling fewer Switches because people stopped liking handheld gaming. They’re selling fewer Switches because the Switch stopped being a uniquely good deal.

      November data makes this uncomfortable. Switch 2 plus original Switch sold fewer units than the original Switch alone did last year. That’s not a launch bump. That’s cannibalization with shrinkage. New hardware arrived and total demand still went down.

      Price is the first problem. Switch 2 lands at about C$630 in Canada. That’s not outrageous in isolation, but it kills the old Switch’s role as the cheap second console. Late-cycle Switch hardware is supposed to get cheaper, not sit awkwardly just below the Switch 2 in price. The value ladder collapsed.

      The second problem is competition that Nintendo pretends doesn’t exist. People love saying Switch 2 vs handheld PCs is apples-to-oranges. Sure. But if you can make the comparison at all, it already matters.

      The MSI Handheld Claw A1M looks like a console. It feels like a console. It costs about C$650. That’s basically Switch 2 money. You don’t need a philosophy degree to see why consumers pause.

      On paper, the Claw is absurdly good for the price. PC-class Intel CPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD. Intel Arc graphics pushing roughly 4.6 TFLOPS in a handheld. But also: Windows, Steam, Game Pass, emulation. Plug in an eGPU later if you feel unwell and want to do something unhinged.

      Switch 2 is much more efficient and much more controlled. Yes, custom Nvidia silicon. But in comparison, it has drawbacks: 12GB RAM, 256GB internal storage, lower raw compute—especially handheld mode. But sure, I’ll acknowledge some heavily optimized games, neat DLSS tricks, and Nintendo polish.

      None of that changes the consumer math. At C$630, Switch 2 isn’t competing with a memory of the Switch anymore. It’s competing with devices that offer more hardware per dollar and a vastly larger software library. Even if most people still choose Nintendo, the pressure exists. That alone suppresses sales.

      And no, handheld PCs don’t need to outsell Switch 2 to matter. They just need to exist in the same price band while looking console-like. They’re not niche curiosities anymore. They’re awkward questions on a Best Buy shelf.

      There’s also macro reality. Hardware spending is down. Average prices paid are up. People are tired. When wallets tighten, value propositions get interrogated. Nintendo used to win those interrogations by default. Now they have to actually answer them.

      Switch 2 isn’t failing. But it’s no longer immune. The combined Switch numbers show that clearly. Nintendo built a great ecosystem. What they didn’t build this time is a moat around price.

      And once price stops being sacred, comparisons start happening whether anyone likes it or not.

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      Jens LjungkvistJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      @atomicpoet

      Thanks for the analysis.

      But for myself, I didn’t really mind the price of the console. What I did mind was the price of the games, which is CRAYZEE in comparison. Here in Sweden Mario Kart World is 136 CAD.

      So, I’m sitting this one out for the time being and keep enjoying our 2 OG Switches with the many games we have and maybe build a Bazzite box instead for my son.

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        @atomicpoet

        Thanks for the analysis.

        But for myself, I didn’t really mind the price of the console. What I did mind was the price of the games, which is CRAYZEE in comparison. Here in Sweden Mario Kart World is 136 CAD.

        So, I’m sitting this one out for the time being and keep enjoying our 2 OG Switches with the many games we have and maybe build a Bazzite box instead for my son.

        Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
        Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jens True! The games are crazy expensive, and games on PC are a fraction of the cost.

        As someone with a Bazzite box, I confirm it is the better choice.
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          I really don’t have qualms about the game prices. People have obsessed over the increase, but honestly, I don’t buy console games without deep consideration, and I play them for years. $90 CAD vs $120 CAF is meaningless on that level.

          But I’m not spending $700 on a Switch. I didn’t ask for a portable. I have no need for the little screen, and I resent paying for the tiny microcontrollers that cramp up my hand. It’s less valuable to me for all of the portability elements, not more. Definitely not 40% more than I paid for my Switch 1.

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            @jens True! The games are crazy expensive, and games on PC are a fraction of the cost.

            As someone with a Bazzite box, I confirm it is the better choice.
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            @atomicpoet @jens On my side, I buy less and less game consoles. No PS5 for instance, last one was a Switch 1, like you said the handheld gaming with a Switch was unmatched (I had a pricey GPD Win though but...). I think Switch 2 has the same issue as Wii U for instance : only a few games which are console seller, they are really expensives.
            This time I bought a second hand Legion Go and installed Bazzite. This is not perfect though to play retro games which need a keyboard (this is what I want to do : play retro games on the go). But better value.

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            • OkerampaO Okerampa

              @atomicpoet @jens On my side, I buy less and less game consoles. No PS5 for instance, last one was a Switch 1, like you said the handheld gaming with a Switch was unmatched (I had a pricey GPD Win though but...). I think Switch 2 has the same issue as Wii U for instance : only a few games which are console seller, they are really expensives.
              This time I bought a second hand Legion Go and installed Bazzite. This is not perfect though to play retro games which need a keyboard (this is what I want to do : play retro games on the go). But better value.

              Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
              Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Okerampa @jens I too have a Legion Go with Bazzite.

              If your purpose is to play old PC games with a keyboard and mouse, there’s a wireless Razer Joro with Bluetooth that’s super compact and easy to pair.

              Obviously, you probably know that one of the Legion Go’s Joy-Cons can be converted into a mouse quite easily. And that’s actually my favourite way to play Dungeon Siege.
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