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As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

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  • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

    As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

    Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

    Rob Cinos :verified:R This user is from outside of this forum
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    #38

    @rgegriff It's bad. From forced AI, total recall (which takes regular screenshots of user history) and black screens of death, Microsoft screwed up this release of Win 11 beyond previous mistakes.

    They forced everyone onto Win 11 years earlier than their usual product cycle.

    Demanded TPM and Microsoft accounts at the beginning too.

    But the worst is knowing that they'll sell your data to the stormtroopers.

    That's a deal breaker for anyone, even if they're not tech oriented.

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    • Eliza MBO This user is from outside of this forum
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      #39

      @dickon @rgegriff
      Is he still happy?
      I’ve been a macOS user for 35 years and I am definitely no longer happy

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      • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

        As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

        Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

        bicebird :twt:B This user is from outside of this forum
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        #40

        @rgegriff it's wild talking to windows users who have like 00's Linux problems with WiFi not working after suspend and updates causing bootloops

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        • Eliza MBO Eliza MB

          @dickon @rgegriff
          Is he still happy?
          I’ve been a macOS user for 35 years and I am definitely no longer happy

          Dickon HoodD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #41

          @rgegriff @OneInterestingFact Yes, mostly because his needs are Firefox and Thunderbird, and not a lot else. I, too, prefer OS X over Windows, because a browser and terminal are more or less all I want; Apple have that covered tolerably well.

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          • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

            As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

            Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

            nshrubsN This user is from outside of this forum
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            @rgegriff @Olyindivisible As an Apple user since the Apple IIe & Mac Classic SE, I would love to see if I could run Linux on my old 2012 MacBook Pro. If I could, that would probably convert me. Mac OS pretty much sucks these days. Every update makes things worse.

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            • nshrubsN nshrubs

              @rgegriff @Olyindivisible As an Apple user since the Apple IIe & Mac Classic SE, I would love to see if I could run Linux on my old 2012 MacBook Pro. If I could, that would probably convert me. Mac OS pretty much sucks these days. Every update makes things worse.

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              #43

              @Nshrubs @rgegriff @Olyindivisible I was running Linux on my non-retina 2012 MacBook Pro without a hitch. Most of the older (before T1) Intel stuff is probably no problem.

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              • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                Mr Lawrence 🇪🇺🇷🇼L This user is from outside of this forum
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                @rgegriff Half of it is nervousness that #Trump effectively has a kill switch on M$ software, as the EU recently found out, which made me go looking for something European.

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                • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                  As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                  Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                  David BramianD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #45

                  @rgegriff How could they have known that using your own hardware to build a little digital model of you in order to control your thoughts and actions was the line?

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                  • d@nny disc@ mc²H d@nny disc@ mc²

                    @davidgerard @rgegriff the people responsible for my sorrow have names and email addresses

                    Ludic 🧛L This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #46

                    @hipsterelectron @davidgerard @rgegriff Non-engineering staff at my clients have started asking me if they can move their gaming rigs to Linux

                    Not all of this timeline is dark, just most of it

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                    • Ludic 🧛L Ludic 🧛

                      @hipsterelectron @davidgerard @rgegriff Non-engineering staff at my clients have started asking me if they can move their gaming rigs to Linux

                      Not all of this timeline is dark, just most of it

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                      #47

                      @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                      • David GerardD David Gerard

                        @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

                        KyleK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @davidgerard @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff the best part about buying an AMD card was knowing i wasn't funding that annoying prick jensen huang

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                        • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                          As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                          Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                          @rgegriff ads on the main menu

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                          • David GerardD David Gerard

                            @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

                            d@nny disc@ mc²H This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @davidgerard @ludicity @rgegriff nvidia is very effective at making drivers which break at build time or runtime and especially make it essentially impossible to track kernel master. nouveau was supposed to be an answer for this but curiously does not support displayport output on my machine. ubuntu previously had tested support for nvidia drivers and suddenly stopped doing that for unknown reasons

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                            • Matt CrawfordT Matt Crawford

                              @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff Ironically I guess I'm very naive to this, considering I couldn't update off windows 10 due to old hardware so migrated fully to Linux anyway last year.

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                              @thecrawford @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff

                              The best move you could make 👍

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                                @rgegriff What surprises me is that I don't really care about the machine (turn it on, work, turn it off. No personaly anything whatsoever on it) and still the vast majority of the software on the ecosystem is at best counter-intuitive or directly a productivity killer.

                                They have never been great at that, but oh! the level they have now.

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                                • David GerardD David Gerard

                                  @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                                  @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff @davidgerard in my experience, AMD cards work... eventually. if your card is more than three years old it's gonna be solid. luckily, nobody can afford cards newer than that anyway.

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                                  • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                    As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                    Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                                    Hugh FergusonH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @rgegriff My guess is that MS decided that users needed them more than they needed users, so the users would suck it up. So this was the year (with Trump elected, and the oligarchs firmly in charge) to mandate all this stupid shit, like no more local accounts, and you rent your software.

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                                    • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                      As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                      Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                                      @rgegriff No. I've *wanted* to use Linux since I started using it, which was back around 1994.

                                      What makes you think you have to do something bad to drive people to want to use Linux?

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                                      • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                        As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                        Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                                        Incident Creator ❎V This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @rgegriff
                                        I left one of my young Fab Lab protégés with a Ventoy/Xubuntu boot disk, and had shown him how to boot a demo. Next week I came round to discover his Mum's desktop with a Linux install, running the Raspbian installer for a Pi Zero he'd got. Things can escalate quickly.

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                                        • David GerardD David Gerard

                                          @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

                                          Orb 2069O This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @davidgerard @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff

                                          Bought red last three systems, agree with Torvalds, Fuck NVidia.

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