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  • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

    As a kid, I lived in Maine, primarily in a small yuppie suburb (exurb?). I was a magnet for verbal bullies there, and yet was treated as "the problem" for reacting to it and for expecting the teachers to do anything about it. Even after I dropped out, which was ultimately over how the teachers treated me (in that and other ways) rather than the bullying, the bullies would do literal drive-by verbal bullying if they happened to see me.

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    I would be utterly shocked if these bullies, now so-called "men" in their late 40s, weren't all part of some so-called "militia" out to shoot LGBTQ+ people in the name of Trump these days. Maybe they were even at Jan. 6th, who knows.

    Meanwhile, I'm still getting shamed for my emotional reactions by people who are ostensibly supposed to be on my side, and against the bullies.

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    • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

      I would be utterly shocked if these bullies, now so-called "men" in their late 40s, weren't all part of some so-called "militia" out to shoot LGBTQ+ people in the name of Trump these days. Maybe they were even at Jan. 6th, who knows.

      Meanwhile, I'm still getting shamed for my emotional reactions by people who are ostensibly supposed to be on my side, and against the bullies.

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      And if that weren't enraging enough? Not having the correct emotional reactions to be able to participate in protests ("resist with fierce joy") gets me lumped in with those same damned bullies.

      If I can't find *some* way I can properly resist in some undeniable way, without accepting some kind of chemical attack on my basic humanity, how Nazi Germany is remembered shows the model for how I'll be treated for the rest of my life.

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      • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

        And if that weren't enraging enough? Not having the correct emotional reactions to be able to participate in protests ("resist with fierce joy") gets me lumped in with those same damned bullies.

        If I can't find *some* way I can properly resist in some undeniable way, without accepting some kind of chemical attack on my basic humanity, how Nazi Germany is remembered shows the model for how I'll be treated for the rest of my life.

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        Aside from the Jewish (the only victims popularly remembered) and certain individuals... *every* German alive at that time is assumed to have been complicit in the horrors of Nazi Germany.

        I frankly wonder sometimes if these protests are less about accomplishing anything, and more about *being seen doing something* whether it moves the needle or not, as a social self-defense effort. Being able to avoid accusations of complicity.

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        • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

          And if that weren't enraging enough? Not having the correct emotional reactions to be able to participate in protests ("resist with fierce joy") gets me lumped in with those same damned bullies.

          If I can't find *some* way I can properly resist in some undeniable way, without accepting some kind of chemical attack on my basic humanity, how Nazi Germany is remembered shows the model for how I'll be treated for the rest of my life.

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          @pteryx I can only guess your emotional state based on what I know of you, but I for one am *shaking in my fucking shoes* at where things are going. I'm supposed to be applying for jobs, but instead only Rena is keeping me from a total backslide on things. I want to put my head under the covers and not come out til this terrifying gd nightmare is ended. And yes, I too resent that I'll be held as responsible as those who cheered it on.

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          • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

            Aside from the Jewish (the only victims popularly remembered) and certain individuals... *every* German alive at that time is assumed to have been complicit in the horrors of Nazi Germany.

            I frankly wonder sometimes if these protests are less about accomplishing anything, and more about *being seen doing something* whether it moves the needle or not, as a social self-defense effort. Being able to avoid accusations of complicity.

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            @pteryx That's my thought. I don't think we can do anything; the other side armed against tyranny then sided with the damned tyrant. But all we have left is to protect our own honor and reputations. No one in a position to act is *listening*. Or if they are, they're delighting in our scurrying. Fuckers.

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              @pteryx That's my thought. I don't think we can do anything; the other side armed against tyranny then sided with the damned tyrant. But all we have left is to protect our own honor and reputations. No one in a position to act is *listening*. Or if they are, they're delighting in our scurrying. Fuckers.

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              @Scendera
              I'm sure there are *illegal* things that can be done... but those would be one-off efforts of trying to hurt the regime as much as one can in a single burst before being made an example of by the regime, and shamed by the people *cosplaying* as resistance for social cred.

              Past that, the most effective-sounding tactic I'm aware of is... well, something I can't help with because I've never been employed.

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              • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                Aside from the Jewish (the only victims popularly remembered) and certain individuals... *every* German alive at that time is assumed to have been complicit in the horrors of Nazi Germany.

                I frankly wonder sometimes if these protests are less about accomplishing anything, and more about *being seen doing something* whether it moves the needle or not, as a social self-defense effort. Being able to avoid accusations of complicity.

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                @pteryx I recently stepped back from a pretty big advocacy role in my union, at the state level, because they don't get that not everyone has the same capabilities.

                My gifts in certain areas are considerable. If you need me to also give you 25 signatures on a bullshit petition or my help is unwelcome, fuck off.

                And I don't mind telling them that they're the problem, not me.

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                  @pteryx I can only guess your emotional state based on what I know of you, but I for one am *shaking in my fucking shoes* at where things are going. I'm supposed to be applying for jobs, but instead only Rena is keeping me from a total backslide on things. I want to put my head under the covers and not come out til this terrifying gd nightmare is ended. And yes, I too resent that I'll be held as responsible as those who cheered it on.

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                  @Scendera
                  You *especially*, for living in the former Confederacy. There's a common perception of the situation that the Civil War never really ended but just went cold, and now either it's going hot, or we've already lost it over a hundred years after the fact.

                  (I do think the assumption that we've *already* lost is too extreme, but.)

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                  • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                    @Scendera
                    You *especially*, for living in the former Confederacy. There's a common perception of the situation that the Civil War never really ended but just went cold, and now either it's going hot, or we've already lost it over a hundred years after the fact.

                    (I do think the assumption that we've *already* lost is too extreme, but.)

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                    @pteryx I wish I could say otherwise, but that's a pretty accurate assessment of the situation. I'll put it this way...I had to actively go look up the events in Panama from just before I was born, because basically "The WWs happened. Korea happened. Nam happened. Cuba happened. Panama happened. And NOW back to "real history ", where everything not covered in The Buybull is one event: The WoNA!"

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                    • humanadverbH humanadverb

                      @pteryx I recently stepped back from a pretty big advocacy role in my union, at the state level, because they don't get that not everyone has the same capabilities.

                      My gifts in certain areas are considerable. If you need me to also give you 25 signatures on a bullshit petition or my help is unwelcome, fuck off.

                      And I don't mind telling them that they're the problem, not me.

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                      @humanadverb
                      In my case, "what *can* I do?" is still a question I have no idea how to answer. The messages they want to push (boiling down to "Protest in front of the armed goons that want to kill all your friends, holding a sign they won't read, while on your absolute best behavior, *and be joyful about it!*") are not messages I want to promote, and I don't have better ones in mind. I'm not a social butterfly, either; introversion is treated as a mental illness, *especially* among women.

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                      • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                        @humanadverb
                        In my case, "what *can* I do?" is still a question I have no idea how to answer. The messages they want to push (boiling down to "Protest in front of the armed goons that want to kill all your friends, holding a sign they won't read, while on your absolute best behavior, *and be joyful about it!*") are not messages I want to promote, and I don't have better ones in mind. I'm not a social butterfly, either; introversion is treated as a mental illness, *especially* among women.

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                        @pteryx Whoever "they" are who want that are idiots and assholes who can fuck off.

                        Sounds to me like your best way of helping us to practice self care, take small steps to increase your capacity in whatever ways present themselves, and stand by for when the right moment comes.

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                        • humanadverbH humanadverb

                          @pteryx Whoever "they" are who want that are idiots and assholes who can fuck off.

                          Sounds to me like your best way of helping us to practice self care, take small steps to increase your capacity in whatever ways present themselves, and stand by for when the right moment comes.

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                          @humanadverb
                          Except I'm not satisfied with that. "Practice self-care" in this context comes across to me as a pretty way of saying "do nothing, because you're useless; never mind that you'll be called complicit later".

                          The one thing I *did* do last year, namely prep, I've reached the limits of for my living conditions (and not just financially; there's really only one category left and it's one I don't think I have the emotional capacity for).

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                          • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                            Aside from the Jewish (the only victims popularly remembered) and certain individuals... *every* German alive at that time is assumed to have been complicit in the horrors of Nazi Germany.

                            I frankly wonder sometimes if these protests are less about accomplishing anything, and more about *being seen doing something* whether it moves the needle or not, as a social self-defense effort. Being able to avoid accusations of complicity.

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                            Adding to this another flavor of shaming of feeling the "wrong" emotions I've been seeing (as in, mere minutes ago elsewhere): people resenting when their attempts at offering comfort to someone don't work, accusing that person of "refusing to take offered comforts" rather than considering that maybe they're taking the wrong approach to comforting that particular person, and in extreme cases even treating them as spies out to destroy the resistance.

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                              Adding to this another flavor of shaming of feeling the "wrong" emotions I've been seeing (as in, mere minutes ago elsewhere): people resenting when their attempts at offering comfort to someone don't work, accusing that person of "refusing to take offered comforts" rather than considering that maybe they're taking the wrong approach to comforting that particular person, and in extreme cases even treating them as spies out to destroy the resistance.

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                              Again, *emotions are not a choice*, no matter how insistently our degenerate culture claims that they are. Crying is a sign of someone capable of healthy emotional expression, not something to be shamed, punished, and institutionally beaten out of a person until they turn to self-harm instead and no one understands why.

                              Something *else* my school did, incidentally. There are reasons "my childhood" is a worthwhile content warning.

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                              • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                                @humanadverb
                                In my case, "what *can* I do?" is still a question I have no idea how to answer. The messages they want to push (boiling down to "Protest in front of the armed goons that want to kill all your friends, holding a sign they won't read, while on your absolute best behavior, *and be joyful about it!*") are not messages I want to promote, and I don't have better ones in mind. I'm not a social butterfly, either; introversion is treated as a mental illness, *especially* among women.

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                                @pteryx @humanadverb I'd say you're already doing the thing that best meshes with your skill set and ability to handle. You're a wordsmith, a truth teller.

                                Put simply, you're doing what you do best, which is persuade and educate others, spread the word, spread truth and knowledge.

                                Those things are priceless, never let anyone tell you otherwise. You *are* helping with your very best skill!

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                                • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                                  @humanadverb
                                  Except I'm not satisfied with that. "Practice self-care" in this context comes across to me as a pretty way of saying "do nothing, because you're useless; never mind that you'll be called complicit later".

                                  The one thing I *did* do last year, namely prep, I've reached the limits of for my living conditions (and not just financially; there's really only one category left and it's one I don't think I have the emotional capacity for).

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                                  @pteryx People who haven't been photographed at protests are going to be needed, later on. People who have safe places to retreat are going to be needed, later on. Being as maximally stable as you can be is actually really important prep work.

                                  People who are focused on how they'll be remembered aren't gonna do a lot of good for people.

                                  So, you're not out there partying with the cool kids and getting tear-gased. Sounds smart, useful, and like *real* resistance.

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                                    @pteryx People who haven't been photographed at protests are going to be needed, later on. People who have safe places to retreat are going to be needed, later on. Being as maximally stable as you can be is actually really important prep work.

                                    People who are focused on how they'll be remembered aren't gonna do a lot of good for people.

                                    So, you're not out there partying with the cool kids and getting tear-gased. Sounds smart, useful, and like *real* resistance.

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                                    @pteryx From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

                                    Anyone looking to mock or accuse anyone who doesn't fit their narrow definition of "the work" is counterrevolutionary.

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                                    • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                                      Aside from the Jewish (the only victims popularly remembered) and certain individuals... *every* German alive at that time is assumed to have been complicit in the horrors of Nazi Germany.

                                      I frankly wonder sometimes if these protests are less about accomplishing anything, and more about *being seen doing something* whether it moves the needle or not, as a social self-defense effort. Being able to avoid accusations of complicity.

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                                      Oh, and it *also* doesn't help that while once upon a time protests had an implied threat of escalation backing them up, which gave them a lot of their power, nowadays people have magical beliefs about universally peaceful resistance, the more peaceful and polite the better. "Don't escalate or you'll give the fascists an excuse!", they scream, as though the fascists won't make up excuses that the press will parrot anyway, and others will believe.

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                                        Oh, and it *also* doesn't help that while once upon a time protests had an implied threat of escalation backing them up, which gave them a lot of their power, nowadays people have magical beliefs about universally peaceful resistance, the more peaceful and polite the better. "Don't escalate or you'll give the fascists an excuse!", they scream, as though the fascists won't make up excuses that the press will parrot anyway, and others will believe.

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                                        So that *also* makes it hard for me to take seriously the idea that protests that are the beginning and the end of what we do will do anything. Or take seriously the idea that writing Congress will be any more effective this year than it was two years ago; signing petitions and editing form letters is what I usually do, and still do.

                                        Damn it, I want to do more than cower in a closet full of freeze-dried food making angry noises.

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                                        • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                                          Oh, and it *also* doesn't help that while once upon a time protests had an implied threat of escalation backing them up, which gave them a lot of their power, nowadays people have magical beliefs about universally peaceful resistance, the more peaceful and polite the better. "Don't escalate or you'll give the fascists an excuse!", they scream, as though the fascists won't make up excuses that the press will parrot anyway, and others will believe.

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                                          @pteryx Unfortunately I have to agree. We're at least a decade past when "Here we all are, see how many of us disagree with X?" carries meaningful weight.

                                          I'd ask what I can do that's meaningful, but it seems like you think because of where I live, I have an extra helping of blame and thus should be expected to do more, risk more, sacrifice more than someone who lives in a blue state. You may not even be wrong.

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