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When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.

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  • H humanspiral@lemmy.ca

    Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

    US interest in Greenland has 0 to do with resources (which are extremely expensive to develop and far away from markets) and everything to do with replacing NATO military bases with US bases in order to directly threaten Europe more effectively.

    The collective cowardice of the colonies divided by US attacks on their economies, and coercive miltiary equipment tribute demands, and cheerleading for Venezuela takeover, and other recent blatant election interference in Latin America (Bolivia, Honduras, Argentina, Brazil) means there are no lines in the sand. No one will come to Greenland or Canada’s defense, because the cowardice that responds to US aggression against its colonies is to devote tributes in order to fight Russia alone.

    There are CIA allegiants on lemmy who setup a US invasion of Greenland as a US ploy to donate all of its resources to Russia, which means just more increased Russophobia as a response and more devotion to the US to help with Napoleonic fantasies on fighting Russia.

    The line in the sand on Canada’s/Europe’s military cooperation with the US should have been drawn at tariffs. For Canada, fentanyl excuse for tariffs is accepting a categorical lie, just as the pretext for kidnapping Maduro.

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    raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca
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    Hey bud I’ve gone back over our past correspondence, and I’m now feeling less hostile. I feel as if you and I are on the same team but perhaps with a different view of what needs to be done. Is this accurate? Is it worth having a good faith dialogue?

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    • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

      Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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      rarsamx@lemmy.ca
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      Venezuela should have been the line. Want to make it Greenland? So, they can take mexico, Cuba?

      Each inch they take is too much. They have proven that they are following the Fascist guidebook.

      Venezuela is the first step. Same as Hitler with Poland.

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      • F frenchgeek@lemmy.ml

        They can’t handle a rifle due to medical reasons and their moms told them to be back by dinner.

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        rarsamx@lemmy.ca
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        #97

        And you really think they are the ones fighting?

        They remove social services and the only out for poor people is the army.

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        • R rarsamx@lemmy.ca

          Venezuela should have been the line. Want to make it Greenland? So, they can take mexico, Cuba?

          Each inch they take is too much. They have proven that they are following the Fascist guidebook.

          Venezuela is the first step. Same as Hitler with Poland.

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          raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca
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          #98

          Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.

          As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.

          THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.

          Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.

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          • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR remembertheapollo_@lemmy.world

            Miller is the ghoul behind a lot of the worst of what the government is doing. Trump is bad, but he’s an idiot. Miller knows what he’s doing and has a plan.

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            minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world
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            #99

            Miller is this administration’s Himmler.

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            • M mbech@feddit.dk

              Software can be made literally anywhere, and computer parts are made in China and other SE Asian countries anyway.

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              ranzispa@mander.xyz
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              That is not the current situation.

              The comment above did not say let’s focus the next 10 years to build a software stack that does not depend on US software. It said let’s immediately stop importing stuff from the US. That is not something you can in a moment substitute without massive disruption.

              Computer parts are made in China and Taiwan mostly, sure. But: AMD is American, intel is American, Nvidia is American. Go build a computer without using parts coming from one of these companies.

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              • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net
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                #101

                This isn’t going to happen as there isn’t a contingent of deeply evil Greenlander exiles in South Florida running the US from Mar-a-Lago, unlike Cuba and Venezuela, whose rightfully exiled upper class now rule what of our foreign policy the Israelis don’t.

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                • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                  Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.

                  As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.

                  THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.

                  Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.

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                  mathemachristian [he/him]
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                  #102

                  First they came for the Communists
                  And I did not speak out
                  Because I was not a Communist

                  Then they came for the Socialists
                  And I did not speak out
                  Because I was not a Socialist

                  Then they came for the trade unionists
                  And I did not speak out
                  Because I was not a trade unionist

                  Then they came for the Jews
                  And I did not speak out
                  Because I was not a Jew

                  Then they came for me
                  And there was no one left
                  To speak out for me

                  • Martin Niemöller

                  Attacking communists is the first step. That’s where the line needs to be drawn. Not an inch to fascism.

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                  • F frenchgeek@lemmy.ml

                    They can’t handle a rifle due to medical reasons and their moms told them to be back by dinner.

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                    raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca
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                    #103

                    I’m not sure about this. They’ve got a more than capable military.

                    But I’m willing to find out where their limit is. Militarily, I suspect it starts at a protracted war of attrition with a determined enemy that looks exactly like them and who pops in and out of unassailable and impassable northern boreal forests and muskeg swamps. Or hides in plain sight in the middle of Toronto. Or hops over the immense border to wreak havoc. No one would be safe, ever.

                    Economically, I think cutting off hydro, oil and potash would have an enormous effect on their comfort level. For lasting damage, nationalize all strategic resources and seize assets and companies. Raze them if threatened, starting with US assets. Nationalize all IP and patents. Sell all US government debt and send the interest rates sky high.

                    The weakness the US has is that they are doing this for more power and a comfortable life. They AIM to survive it. Frankly at a certain point I don’t care about that. Our fight is existential, and we have given up on a vision of life after. What matters at that point is the here and now, and that’s it.

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                    • R ranzispa@mander.xyz

                      That is not the current situation.

                      The comment above did not say let’s focus the next 10 years to build a software stack that does not depend on US software. It said let’s immediately stop importing stuff from the US. That is not something you can in a moment substitute without massive disruption.

                      Computer parts are made in China and Taiwan mostly, sure. But: AMD is American, intel is American, Nvidia is American. Go build a computer without using parts coming from one of these companies.

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                      mbech@feddit.dk
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                      #104

                      The comment said nothing about the ban having to be this instant. They said to stop all trade. That could just as well mean, take the necessary steps to stop all trade as feasibly fast as possible. How long do you think it would take for China to be able to export computer hardware directly to the EU if the EU said tomorrow “As soon as you can supply hardware, we will stop all trade with USA”? China is the champion of accelerated manufacturing, they’d be supplying us in a couple of months.

                      There already is open source software solution for by FAR most software that is used. Most companies don’t actually need proprietary software from USA, they can switch very quickly, especially if they get a deadline in a month to switch everything away from Linux, 'cause then the profits are on the line.

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                      • M mathemachristian [he/him]

                        First they came for the Communists
                        And I did not speak out
                        Because I was not a Communist

                        Then they came for the Socialists
                        And I did not speak out
                        Because I was not a Socialist

                        Then they came for the trade unionists
                        And I did not speak out
                        Because I was not a trade unionist

                        Then they came for the Jews
                        And I did not speak out
                        Because I was not a Jew

                        Then they came for me
                        And there was no one left
                        To speak out for me

                        • Martin Niemöller

                        Attacking communists is the first step. That’s where the line needs to be drawn. Not an inch to fascism.

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                        raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca
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                        Yes, my opinion can be changed for Mexico, and it would be made in the moment.

                        Frankly I wish our governments would more openly stand with one another. I would support it 100%

                        By the way, the words Niemoller wrote refer to internal oppression and disenfranchisement. For any example of an external analogue in the same time period, consider UK agreement with Poland, that eventually pulled them into the war and which they courageously honored and defended. We don’t have such an agreement with Mexico.

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                        • owenfromcanada@lemmy.caO owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca

                          The world doesn’t need to go to war, it needs to stop being afraid of a major economic downturn.

                          Stop everything with the US: trade, travel, everything. Deport all Americans back to their native soil. Isolate them, and see how quickly things change.

                          While we’re at it, do the same with Russia and Israel. And maybe China?

                          Would it cause a global economic crisis? Probably. But people are already dying—it’s worth it if we can actually end a genocide and a couple wars.

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                          wonderingwanderer
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                          Don’t deport americans. Some of us want to escape.

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                          • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                            Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.

                            As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.

                            THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.

                            Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.

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                            Michael
                            wrote last edited by m1ch431@slrpnk.net
                            #107

                            and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba

                            Could you provide a source for this claim?

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                            • L lefantome@programming.dev

                              So much this. Just 100% stop all trade with the United States. All of it. And zero travel. Then ban US travel to your country. Give them the isolation they crave.

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                              wonderingwanderer
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                              No, definitely impose sanctions and stop trade, but don’t ban travel. Let the brain drain do its thing.

                              Some of us do not consent to the actions of this rogue administration, and we don’t crave isolation. Some of us desperately want a way out of this country.

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                              • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                                Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                                deiceamerica@lemmy.world
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                                .

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                                • S shaggyb@lemmy.world

                                  You don’t get it.

                                  The people posting shit like that WANT TO KILL.

                                  They are bloodthirsty. They are warmongers. They want a bodycount.

                                  There’s nothing more to realize about the joke because it’s not a joke.

                                  America is ruled by murderers.

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                                  deiceamerica@lemmy.world
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                                  #110

                                  The only way it’s stops is when the blood lust they seek comes home to roost.

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                                  • Z zorque@lemmy.world

                                    Most of the people in charge don’t have their value in USD, they have it in material and speculative value. The crash of the USD will hurt everyone but them.

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                                    wonderingwanderer
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                                    Crashing the USD would be its demise as the global reserve currency, which would evaporate all that speculative value overnight.

                                    Sure, the oligarchs would still have their mansions, bunkers, and bullet-proof SUVs, but their primary source of leverage and influence would be gone. They would become irrelevant.

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                                    • M misterd@lemmy.ca

                                      Nah. Just start selling the US bonds that backs the US currency. The USD with crash in value.

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                                      wonderingwanderer
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                                      This is the way.

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                                      • MichaelM Michael

                                        and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba

                                        Could you provide a source for this claim?

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                                        100_kg_90_de_belin
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                                        It’s the guys who were shitty owners of plantations ans lackeys of the US

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                                          wonderingwanderer
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                                          #114

                                          How do you strike if you’re already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.

                                          Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.

                                          How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?

                                          Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?

                                          Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn’t qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.

                                          So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.

                                          It’s not about making excuses, it’s about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.

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