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When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.

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  • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

    Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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    bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net
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    #101

    This isn’t going to happen as there isn’t a contingent of deeply evil Greenlander exiles in South Florida running the US from Mar-a-Lago, unlike Cuba and Venezuela, whose rightfully exiled upper class now rule what of our foreign policy the Israelis don’t.

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    • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

      Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.

      As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.

      THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.

      Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.

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      mathemachristian [he/him]
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      #102

      First they came for the Communists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Communist

      Then they came for the Socialists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Socialist

      Then they came for the trade unionists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a trade unionist

      Then they came for the Jews
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Jew

      Then they came for me
      And there was no one left
      To speak out for me

      • Martin Niemöller

      Attacking communists is the first step. That’s where the line needs to be drawn. Not an inch to fascism.

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      • F frenchgeek@lemmy.ml

        They can’t handle a rifle due to medical reasons and their moms told them to be back by dinner.

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        raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca
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        #103

        I’m not sure about this. They’ve got a more than capable military.

        But I’m willing to find out where their limit is. Militarily, I suspect it starts at a protracted war of attrition with a determined enemy that looks exactly like them and who pops in and out of unassailable and impassable northern boreal forests and muskeg swamps. Or hides in plain sight in the middle of Toronto. Or hops over the immense border to wreak havoc. No one would be safe, ever.

        Economically, I think cutting off hydro, oil and potash would have an enormous effect on their comfort level. For lasting damage, nationalize all strategic resources and seize assets and companies. Raze them if threatened, starting with US assets. Nationalize all IP and patents. Sell all US government debt and send the interest rates sky high.

        The weakness the US has is that they are doing this for more power and a comfortable life. They AIM to survive it. Frankly at a certain point I don’t care about that. Our fight is existential, and we have given up on a vision of life after. What matters at that point is the here and now, and that’s it.

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        • R ranzispa@mander.xyz

          That is not the current situation.

          The comment above did not say let’s focus the next 10 years to build a software stack that does not depend on US software. It said let’s immediately stop importing stuff from the US. That is not something you can in a moment substitute without massive disruption.

          Computer parts are made in China and Taiwan mostly, sure. But: AMD is American, intel is American, Nvidia is American. Go build a computer without using parts coming from one of these companies.

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          mbech@feddit.dk
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          The comment said nothing about the ban having to be this instant. They said to stop all trade. That could just as well mean, take the necessary steps to stop all trade as feasibly fast as possible. How long do you think it would take for China to be able to export computer hardware directly to the EU if the EU said tomorrow “As soon as you can supply hardware, we will stop all trade with USA”? China is the champion of accelerated manufacturing, they’d be supplying us in a couple of months.

          There already is open source software solution for by FAR most software that is used. Most companies don’t actually need proprietary software from USA, they can switch very quickly, especially if they get a deadline in a month to switch everything away from Linux, 'cause then the profits are on the line.

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          • M mathemachristian [he/him]

            First they came for the Communists
            And I did not speak out
            Because I was not a Communist

            Then they came for the Socialists
            And I did not speak out
            Because I was not a Socialist

            Then they came for the trade unionists
            And I did not speak out
            Because I was not a trade unionist

            Then they came for the Jews
            And I did not speak out
            Because I was not a Jew

            Then they came for me
            And there was no one left
            To speak out for me

            • Martin Niemöller

            Attacking communists is the first step. That’s where the line needs to be drawn. Not an inch to fascism.

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            raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca
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            Yes, my opinion can be changed for Mexico, and it would be made in the moment.

            Frankly I wish our governments would more openly stand with one another. I would support it 100%

            By the way, the words Niemoller wrote refer to internal oppression and disenfranchisement. For any example of an external analogue in the same time period, consider UK agreement with Poland, that eventually pulled them into the war and which they courageously honored and defended. We don’t have such an agreement with Mexico.

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            • owenfromcanada@lemmy.caO owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca

              The world doesn’t need to go to war, it needs to stop being afraid of a major economic downturn.

              Stop everything with the US: trade, travel, everything. Deport all Americans back to their native soil. Isolate them, and see how quickly things change.

              While we’re at it, do the same with Russia and Israel. And maybe China?

              Would it cause a global economic crisis? Probably. But people are already dying—it’s worth it if we can actually end a genocide and a couple wars.

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              wonderingwanderer
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              Don’t deport americans. Some of us want to escape.

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              • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.

                As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.

                THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.

                Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.

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                Michael
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                #107

                and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba

                Could you provide a source for this claim?

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                • L lefantome@programming.dev

                  So much this. Just 100% stop all trade with the United States. All of it. And zero travel. Then ban US travel to your country. Give them the isolation they crave.

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                  wonderingwanderer
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                  #108

                  No, definitely impose sanctions and stop trade, but don’t ban travel. Let the brain drain do its thing.

                  Some of us do not consent to the actions of this rogue administration, and we don’t crave isolation. Some of us desperately want a way out of this country.

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                  • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                    Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                    deiceamerica@lemmy.world
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                    #109

                    .

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                    • S shaggyb@lemmy.world

                      You don’t get it.

                      The people posting shit like that WANT TO KILL.

                      They are bloodthirsty. They are warmongers. They want a bodycount.

                      There’s nothing more to realize about the joke because it’s not a joke.

                      America is ruled by murderers.

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                      deiceamerica@lemmy.world
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                      #110

                      The only way it’s stops is when the blood lust they seek comes home to roost.

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                      • Z zorque@lemmy.world

                        Most of the people in charge don’t have their value in USD, they have it in material and speculative value. The crash of the USD will hurt everyone but them.

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                        wonderingwanderer
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                        Crashing the USD would be its demise as the global reserve currency, which would evaporate all that speculative value overnight.

                        Sure, the oligarchs would still have their mansions, bunkers, and bullet-proof SUVs, but their primary source of leverage and influence would be gone. They would become irrelevant.

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                        • M misterd@lemmy.ca

                          Nah. Just start selling the US bonds that backs the US currency. The USD with crash in value.

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                          wonderingwanderer
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                          This is the way.

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                          • MichaelM Michael

                            and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba

                            Could you provide a source for this claim?

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                            100_kg_90_de_belin
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                            It’s the guys who were shitty owners of plantations ans lackeys of the US

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                              wonderingwanderer
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                              #114

                              How do you strike if you’re already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.

                              Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.

                              How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?

                              Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?

                              Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn’t qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.

                              So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.

                              It’s not about making excuses, it’s about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.

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                              • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

                                Americans know. They just don’t have any idea what to do, and no single person can solve the problem.

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                                kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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                                and no single person can solve the problem.

                                That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.

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                                • H hugenerd@lemmy.ca

                                  And do what? Send the First Mounted Pellet Rifle brigade down there?

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                                  canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                  #116

                                  If Greenland was actually invaded, it’s part of the EU in all but name, and the whole EU would now be at war with the US. Even if we have no treaty (outside of now-completely dead NATO) and don’t join in, the US probably invades us to make sure, ala Iceland in WWII.

                                  I guess there’s a possibility Denmark cuts and runs. In that case yeah, there’s probably nothing we can do.

                                  If we were invaded and had a treaty with Denmark, the US would be at war with Denmark and hopefully the WWI cascading treaties thing would kick in and, again, the US would be at war with the EU. And probably the UK too since they have proximity to both the EU, and us through our sovereign - ignoring one is possible, but both seems like a tall order.

                                  Of course, the goal is to deter invasion in the first place.

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                                  • F freshparsnip@lemmy.ca

                                    I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that. But then it might be too late to do anything else

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                                    kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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                                    I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that

                                    They’ll just place their desperate hopes on something else.

                                    Anything to avoid having to actually do something themselves.

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                                    • B bagsy@lemmy.world

                                      And you think action will be easier if you wait longer? You are wrong, things are only going to get more difficult.

                                      Facism is a cancer. You cant ignore it or reason with it, or hope it goes away. The only option is to take the terrible medicine and fight, now.

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                                      wonderingwanderer
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                                      Some cancers are terminal/inoperable…

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                                      • Z zephorah@discuss.online

                                        There are many who actually believe the midterms will solve this.

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                                        wonderingwanderer
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                                        What other options do you propose?

                                        I’m aware the midterms aren’t failsafe, but they’re the closest thing to hope that we have.

                                        And if people make the same mistake as last time by boycotting the vote, then their defeatism will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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                                        • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                                          Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                                          collapse_already@lemmy.ml
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                                          The only way this makes sense is if she is talking about America. I say that as an American.

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