PC Gamers Abandoning Windows 11 for Linux with Higher FPS & Fewer Interruptions
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I have been over 1 year in EndeavourOS and I can’t complain, no issues at all except when I screw up.
What does screwing up mean in this context?
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I made the move to Linux about a month ago, and it’s been super smooth (and yes I have an NVIDIA 3080). I went with CachyOS though. The ONLY thing keeping me dual-booting windows though is Cubase (DAW), which is unfortunate but whatever. I don’t really play any games that use EAC / kernel-level anti-cheat so it doesn’t affect me, but is a bummer.
Have you looked into using Wine or Proton to install Cubase on CachyOS? I see the wine page for it has a few garbage rating for the app, but I imagine that some of the work being done to get the steam games working might carry over to other desktop apps that didn’t work well on Wine in the past.
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When I mentioned that there are too many/ummecessarily many different distros, i got downvoted sadly. But I think we would have soo much better of a user experience if there would be only 3 big distros or something.
[Unpopular Opinion] There are too many distros. The diverse distro-landscape hindering Linux adoption. - feddit.org
tldr: For Linux adoption it would be better for devs to focus on 2 (“main”) distros which are very similar to Windows and macOS and then 2-3 further (“big”) distros which give a bit more room to experiment. All the other distros create confusion and analysis-paralysis for the user who wants to switch or wants to help others to do the switch. — Edit because some people got emotional and I was being imprecise: Disclaimer: I dont want to dictate any foss dev, I understand that “Linux” isnt a company. By “Linux” in this post I only ment the desktop OS for personal and work use. — — (sorry for the long paragraph, i ranted and brain dumped the idea) I see a problem: Even “stable” distros like Debian and big and “fully developed” DEs like KDE or GNOME arent ready for the majority of the users switching from windows. Missing software compatibility and the need to fall back on the commandline are just some of the problems. The biggest one is the confusion for the average user: They google “install Linux” and then need to do research for at least 30minutes, figuring out which of the popular distros is the right one for them. If decided, then (depending on the distro) they then have to choose the DE. Its a sinilar problem to the adoption of the Fediverse: You are expected to decide what instance you want to be part of. This makes it also very hard for a linux enthusiasts to convince/help install a distro for a family member, as you dont know their preferenced or how they use their Win/Mac machine. So either you as an expert have to observe and then do research on what distro+DE fits the usecase or the enduser themselves need to distro-hop, which is obviously not happening. Now you are thinking: But just install Linux Mint and they probably do most of the things in their Browser anyways. But in my experience the switch of potentially the browser, the mail-client and ontop of that the OS is a pretty tall ask for an average end user. So the whole switching thing becomes a multi year operation where they first switch the software they use to FOSS one. Which is a tall order and it makes it even harder to explain and convince someone. Heck, it already takes multiple days to get my grandma up to speed after the change Win10 -> Win11, because some buttons moved and the context menue looks different. Now my utopian idea: If there were only a handful of popular distros+DEs, one could map them on a 2D-plane or even on a spectrum of “fixed, you have to adapt” to “flexible, you have to adjust the settings”. Mac users could switch to a distro which is quite fixed (comparable to macOS). This fixed distro should out of the box be close to the mac experience. With windows the same. Very very rough prototype of the spectrum to visualize my idea. I dont know enough about it but tried anyways: flexible
Windows 10 MacOS fixed If then most of Linux Devs (from Kernel to distro to UI to software) mostly focus on the 4-5 main distros, then they would get more stable and they could be made to behave closer to their proprietary counterparts. This then could make the switch from Mac/Win so much more easy because: 1. The distro is closer to the old proprietary OS. So the enduser just has to learn other “new” software, the OS doesnt demand a learning curve but just replicates the Win/Mac experience. 2. The decision which distro to use is easier, as there are the main ones which are easy to choose because they are distinct from one another. Disclaimer: No, i am no expert, I probably dont know enough of the technical side, I just wanted to share the enduser experience. Obviously there will always be countless distros by enthusiasts who tinker with their dozends of dev-friends for their personal-perfect distro. There will always be the people who deliberately do some frankensteined distro, and I am not here to forbid any of this. The confusing diversity of all the options is just not helping the wider public.
(feddit.org)
I think the problem with that is that the distros are each essentially personal projects. Some individual or team has their vision of what they think Linux should be and make their own effort to make it. There isn’t just 3 big distros because there’s more than 3 teams that want to make their own. And since no one has control over what distro anyone else can make, each person’s only options are to start their own distro, work on someone else’s, both (and more, since there’s no limit on how many distros you can contribute to), or neither.
Though personally, I think more options is good. Just like with the lemmyverse, if admins for one distro make choices you don’t like, you’re not stuck with them because you can either switch distros or start your own fork if you think it was on the right path before that bad choice.
All I can say for sure is that, from my experience, Fedora is ready for the masses (at least the technically competent who are willing to learn, the others are just as lost on windows, outside of their usual activities).
The downvotes might be because it’s not something anyone can do.
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I don’t get any indication from the search that there’s a single unfixable issue, seems like various crash/freezing issues being reported over the months. I’ve only seen an issue where I needed to restart my system once in the year or so I’ve been on Linux, and that seemed to just be linked to one game (that I’ve since played without issue).
This is also the second time I’ve seen someone with a vague reference to an amd issue that is described in a way that sounds both profound (breaks for system) and mundane (by making it freeze once in a blue moon). And instructions to do a search that will give results but the implication is that they are about some massive single issue when the search term is going to give lots of unrelated results. Smells like disinformation to me, or rather trying to make nornal issues appear like massive ones.
Replace “amdgpu” with “nvidia” or “linux” with “windows” and there’s still tons of results.
It seems to me that things like
Issues · drm / amd · GitLab
amd (amdgpu, amdkfd, radeon) drm project, currently for issues only.
GitLab (gitlab.freedesktop.org)
Are a fairly good example of the problems that many people are having. Note they’re not very random but tend to follow a distinct motif. The driver freezes the display or the system at random times. And if it’s such a rare occurrence, I must be so very lucky.
I’m not saying that one brand is better than the other. Just that the endless shills saying that AMD is the Linux messiah are both tiresome and wrong. There can be, and are, many problems with AMS din Linux, just like there are with nVidia.
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Switched when the OG Steam Machines came out. It wasn’t great then. It wasn’t really good until Proton Steam integration. Became great after the fast iteration with the Steam Deck
I know the hot thing is Bazzite but if you want to use it as a desktop as well, please at least use Fedora Kinoite or Silverblue. Personally I use the latest Kubuntu release so now I’m on Kubuntu 25.10, will upgrade to 26.04 when prompted, do the same with 26.10. Update cycle not so different than the larger windows updates each year. Just that every now and then a new Windows software ports to Linux, it’ll almost always be a deb installer is reason enough to me to prefer Debian based distributions than Fedora or Arch especially for new users. Don’t need to get people to install distrobox and boxbuddy. Kubuntu should just be enabling flatpaks and flathub by default rather than it being a option in the software center settings
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i switched over to Bazzite about a week ago, and it has been super frustrating. though it’s not in where you think. the game my group is playing (Arc Raiders) worked without a hitch.
- but my speaker system, and microphone forced me to learn a whole lot about USB hand shakes,
- ghost usb profiles,
- usb cable choice,
- what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
- nano eccentricities (including how to save and quit, just labeling ctrl-o as save and not overwrite would stop so much bs),
- sink states,
- device name resolution,
- pipewire,
- pipe plumber,
- pipe wire holding devices hostage,
- usb power flapping because i plugged my speakers and my mic to close to each other causing the os to just give up on the both of them.
- the timing of when the os asks for usb identifiers, verses when the usb devices are given power
- out dated guides relying on depreciated methods and acceptable code used in modifiers to os procedure.
my experience and days of trouble shooting the “easy” replacement os for gaming has frightened my friend group far away from linux.
Another data point to add. I’ve started using Bazzite and introduced it to my brother. The only hitch I’ve noticed is not being able to play stuff like the new Battlefield.
It is by far the easiest operating system to install, keep updated, and run basic apps and play games on. Flatpaks are great. Brew is good for CLI tools. AppImages are another alternative to Flatpaks that work well. Steam comes pre-installed, and most games run well.
There are no ads, no AI, no dark patterns. It’s just a simple operating system that keeps itself updated.
Where it starts to get complicated is if you want to do anything off the beaten path. In fact, Bazzite is much more complicated than something like Fedora or Debian if you need to do anything like this. Because you need to worry about either layering with
rpm-ostree, or creating your own base image with a Containerfile (FROM bazzite). But my examples of these are installing GhosTTY (non AppImage), Paretto Security, and 1Password SSH Daemon/op. Most people will never need to do these.I’m a software engineer, and I’ve found that for the most part, Bazzite is good enough to run on my gaming pc and work pcs.
I’m sorry you had such a bad first experience with it.
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i switched over to Bazzite about a week ago, and it has been super frustrating. though it’s not in where you think. the game my group is playing (Arc Raiders) worked without a hitch.
- but my speaker system, and microphone forced me to learn a whole lot about USB hand shakes,
- ghost usb profiles,
- usb cable choice,
- what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
- nano eccentricities (including how to save and quit, just labeling ctrl-o as save and not overwrite would stop so much bs),
- sink states,
- device name resolution,
- pipewire,
- pipe plumber,
- pipe wire holding devices hostage,
- usb power flapping because i plugged my speakers and my mic to close to each other causing the os to just give up on the both of them.
- the timing of when the os asks for usb identifiers, verses when the usb devices are given power
- out dated guides relying on depreciated methods and acceptable code used in modifiers to os procedure.
my experience and days of trouble shooting the “easy” replacement os for gaming has frightened my friend group far away from linux.
Interesting. I’ve been using Linux for nearly 6 years now, and I can definitely relate to pipewire and audio related issues (I’m a musician so I’ve suffered much in that area), but I can’t say I’ve struggled so much with devices. I wonder if those are Bazzite specific issues or if our setups are just different.
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Oh I completely disagree. There are severe enough issues for users to switch to Linux, they’re just not severe enough for you.
Or the overwhelmingly vast majority of windows and Mac users.
Linux is an OS you’re forced to use, not something you choose.
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Have you looked into using Wine or Proton to install Cubase on CachyOS? I see the wine page for it has a few garbage rating for the app, but I imagine that some of the work being done to get the steam games working might carry over to other desktop apps that didn’t work well on Wine in the past.
I’ve attempted to install Cubase using Bottles with no luck. I think the difficulty revolves around audio drivers and such.
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Which GPU do you have? There are plenty of distros that work just fine with Nvidia.
GTX 1080.
Might be an issue with my setup. I run HDMI + DVI. My BIOS refuses to work with DVI for some reason.
Might detect it as two monitors, hence why it runs at full boost clock constantly. Didn’t find a fix for it so just gave up and went back to Windows where it works just fine.
Also doesn’t seem to detect DVI without the HDMI connected. Might be my GPU is faulty.
/shrug
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The worse part of vista wasn’t even that it looked awful or ran awful. Personal perfence not with standing.
It was just 3 years too early and hardware fucking sucked. Drivers went standardized and everything was too weak.
Going back to vista years after the fact show it was actually really solid.
Probably the last time Microsoft was ever ahead of the curve in terms of design. Vista then 7 were great design wise, then it was only down hill since.
Changing the graphics driver model at the same time as making the desktop graphically demanding was probably a bad idea
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i switched over to Bazzite about a week ago, and it has been super frustrating. though it’s not in where you think. the game my group is playing (Arc Raiders) worked without a hitch.
- but my speaker system, and microphone forced me to learn a whole lot about USB hand shakes,
- ghost usb profiles,
- usb cable choice,
- what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
- nano eccentricities (including how to save and quit, just labeling ctrl-o as save and not overwrite would stop so much bs),
- sink states,
- device name resolution,
- pipewire,
- pipe plumber,
- pipe wire holding devices hostage,
- usb power flapping because i plugged my speakers and my mic to close to each other causing the os to just give up on the both of them.
- the timing of when the os asks for usb identifiers, verses when the usb devices are given power
- out dated guides relying on depreciated methods and acceptable code used in modifiers to os procedure.
my experience and days of trouble shooting the “easy” replacement os for gaming has frightened my friend group far away from linux.
I just installed cachyos after using mint for a year. Overall, was smooth until i tried to use VLC. Video played fine, but an hour of settings later and i could finally hear the movie. I was an inch from saying fuck it and going back to mint. I debug software for a living, last thing i want to deal with is debugging my personal computer when I just want to watch a movie.
May go back at some point, mint really is so easy and just worked, but the performance and aur are pretty great.
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Oh it’s immutable? Damn.
That explains some shit.
How do I go about switching to CachyOS? Just wipe the NVME and run an installer?
Yeah I’d wipe it if you’re going to switch, always less headaches that way. CachyOS has a lot of options so I’ll throw my 2 cents out there, I set it up with btrfs file system and the limine bootloader because it automatically sets up snapshots so you can roll back if something gets borked. It’s also easier to get secure boot working with limine if you’re trying to dual boot.
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Or the overwhelmingly vast majority of windows and Mac users.
Linux is an OS you’re forced to use, not something you choose.
“Linux is an OS you’re forced to use, not something you choose.”
You’re right, I was held at gun point by the Penguin Task Force led by Torvalds himself. I feared for my life and I had to figure out how to use NixOS otherwise my family and I would have been sent to the gulag. Oh how I wish I could be using Windows but I can’t
Windows is my Juliet and I am her Romeo.
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i switched over to Bazzite about a week ago, and it has been super frustrating. though it’s not in where you think. the game my group is playing (Arc Raiders) worked without a hitch.
- but my speaker system, and microphone forced me to learn a whole lot about USB hand shakes,
- ghost usb profiles,
- usb cable choice,
- what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
- nano eccentricities (including how to save and quit, just labeling ctrl-o as save and not overwrite would stop so much bs),
- sink states,
- device name resolution,
- pipewire,
- pipe plumber,
- pipe wire holding devices hostage,
- usb power flapping because i plugged my speakers and my mic to close to each other causing the os to just give up on the both of them.
- the timing of when the os asks for usb identifiers, verses when the usb devices are given power
- out dated guides relying on depreciated methods and acceptable code used in modifiers to os procedure.
my experience and days of trouble shooting the “easy” replacement os for gaming has frightened my friend group far away from linux.
what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
Huh, most people actually like Flatpak, and for good reasons too.
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i switched over to Bazzite about a week ago, and it has been super frustrating. though it’s not in where you think. the game my group is playing (Arc Raiders) worked without a hitch.
- but my speaker system, and microphone forced me to learn a whole lot about USB hand shakes,
- ghost usb profiles,
- usb cable choice,
- what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
- nano eccentricities (including how to save and quit, just labeling ctrl-o as save and not overwrite would stop so much bs),
- sink states,
- device name resolution,
- pipewire,
- pipe plumber,
- pipe wire holding devices hostage,
- usb power flapping because i plugged my speakers and my mic to close to each other causing the os to just give up on the both of them.
- the timing of when the os asks for usb identifiers, verses when the usb devices are given power
- out dated guides relying on depreciated methods and acceptable code used in modifiers to os procedure.
my experience and days of trouble shooting the “easy” replacement os for gaming has frightened my friend group far away from linux.
nano is the Fishcer Price’s My First Text Editor and you’re expected to quickly graduate to something that sucks way more
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This was the same era when I tried to switch, due to the shittiness of Vista. I wanna say it was Mandrake Linux was what I was trying to use, but I couldn’t get it running correctly on my hardware.
Came back some time later and discovered Mepis Linux. After that, I never went back.
I started with Ubuntu, switched to Mint and finally settled on Arch.
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I made the move to Linux about a month ago, and it’s been super smooth (and yes I have an NVIDIA 3080). I went with CachyOS though. The ONLY thing keeping me dual-booting windows though is Cubase (DAW), which is unfortunate but whatever. I don’t really play any games that use EAC / kernel-level anti-cheat so it doesn’t affect me, but is a bummer.
Cubase works great for example in Hatari
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I’ve attempted to install Cubase using Bottles with no luck. I think the difficulty revolves around audio drivers and such.
Yeah, Linux audio is great when it does work, but a real pain when it doesn’t. Looks like there is some work being done to bridge the DAW gap like https://github.com/microfortnight/yabridge-bottles-wineloader, but I image getting it working will be a bit of a rabbit hole.
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The worse part of vista wasn’t even that it looked awful or ran awful. Personal perfence not with standing.
It was just 3 years too early and hardware fucking sucked. Drivers went standardized and everything was too weak.
Going back to vista years after the fact show it was actually really solid.
Probably the last time Microsoft was ever ahead of the curve in terms of design. Vista then 7 were great design wise, then it was only down hill since.
Hardware was definitely the issue. What got me to first install Linux was my wireless card just randomly stopped working. People were recommending that I do a full reinstall of Vista to get internet working again. I installed Ubuntu instead and never looked back.
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