Skip to content
0
  • Home
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
  • Home
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (Sketchy)
  • No Skin
Collapse

Wandering Adventure Party

  1. Home
  2. PC Gaming
  3. Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development

Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved PC Gaming
pcgaming
134 Posts 102 Posters 29 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • B boonhet@sopuli.xyz

    I think it’s a case of literal AI-generated assets vs AI assistants used in the process of work.

    S This user is from outside of this forum
    S This user is from outside of this forum
    sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    wrote on last edited by
    #74

    Except Steam doesn’t really enforce any rules around these disclosures. E.g arc raiders having AI voicelines, and their disclosure being something like “we use some AI during development”

    1 Reply Last reply
    4
    • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
      This post did not contain any content.
      dupacycki@lemmy.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
      dupacycki@lemmy.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
      dupacycki@lemmy.world
      wrote on last edited by
      #75

      Tim can suck my sweaty balls.

      I Cast FistI 1 Reply Last reply
      18
      • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
        This post did not contain any content.
        N This user is from outside of this forum
        N This user is from outside of this forum
        n4u6h7y@eviltoast.org
        wrote on last edited by
        #76

        Preach!!!

        1 Reply Last reply
        1
        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
          This post did not contain any content.
          tattorack@lemmy.worldT This user is from outside of this forum
          tattorack@lemmy.worldT This user is from outside of this forum
          tattorack@lemmy.world
          wrote on last edited by
          #77

          Depends on how it’s used.

          Right now it’s used to replace skilled workers, be them artists, actors, or programmers.

          I can certainly think of a few good uses for AI in games, but to a Corpo CEO “good use” = wider profit margins at the cost of humanity. And so we need to be informed about such things when we spend money on something that is by all rights an artform.

          A 1 Reply Last reply
          5
          • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
            This post did not contain any content.
            J This user is from outside of this forum
            J This user is from outside of this forum
            j92@lemmy.world
            wrote on last edited by
            #78

            And they’ll become cheaper as they undoubtedly sack their talent, right?

            I think if I buy a game under the pretext of it being entirely “man-made”, in 2026. If it then turns out to have been partially AI produced in 2030, I should have the right to earn a refund, even if I 100% it.

            1 Reply Last reply
            3
            • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
              This post did not contain any content.
              A This user is from outside of this forum
              A This user is from outside of this forum
              angelevo@feddit.nl
              wrote on last edited by
              #79

              More info = good.

              1 Reply Last reply
              15
              • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                This post did not contain any content.
                nuko147@lemmy.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
                nuko147@lemmy.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
                nuko147@lemmy.world
                wrote on last edited by
                #80

                Yes, like we don’t have Handmade tags in products…

                I dont know about the future, but a “No AI-Art” tag, makes sense to me.

                B 1 Reply Last reply
                36
                • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                  And people wonder why Epic games has the smallest market share of all the game stores

                  R This user is from outside of this forum
                  R This user is from outside of this forum
                  reference4054@lemmy.zip
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #81

                  Yeah, I can’t imagine why people aren’t flocking to the Epic Store. Must be Valves fault.

                  I Cast FistI 1 Reply Last reply
                  8
                  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                    This post did not contain any content.
                    F This user is from outside of this forum
                    F This user is from outside of this forum
                    freddieslantern@leminal.space
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #82

                    Entirely off topic: you can block dataharvesting to the epic store from your hosts file.

                    ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU 1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                      This post did not contain any content.
                      E This user is from outside of this forum
                      E This user is from outside of this forum
                      Echo Dot
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #83

                      Yes but we all know that Tim is a bit of an idiot.

                      We’ve all seen AI made games, they are awful. Terrible optimisation (often not optimised at all), programming mistakes that first year junior wouldn’t make, glitchy looking art and basic gameplay because AI cannot be original.

                      Yeah I’m sure they’re really going to take off.

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      3
                      • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

                        Depends on how it’s used.

                        Right now it’s used to replace skilled workers, be them artists, actors, or programmers.

                        I can certainly think of a few good uses for AI in games, but to a Corpo CEO “good use” = wider profit margins at the cost of humanity. And so we need to be informed about such things when we spend money on something that is by all rights an artform.

                        A This user is from outside of this forum
                        A This user is from outside of this forum
                        aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #84

                        The problem is that the very capabilities that let a game have “way more of something than it could otherwise have” (say, thousands of unique voices reading context-specific runtime generated text) can be used to reduce the need for workers (so one can just pretty much generate all speech in game by paying a bunch of random people of the street for to come over and read text for 1h and then just clone their voices and used that to generate all in-game speech - the quality way less than pre-prepared lines read by a trained voice actor, but the cost will be a tiny fraction of it).

                        AI can helps us do things which in practice would otherwise be impossible but many (maybe most) companies are just using it to cut manpower costs even though it delivers inferior results than than trained professionals.

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        2
                        • dupacycki@lemmy.worldD dupacycki@lemmy.world

                          Tim can suck my sweaty balls.

                          I Cast FistI This user is from outside of this forum
                          I Cast FistI This user is from outside of this forum
                          I Cast Fist
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #85

                          Careful, his suction might leave you ball-less

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          1
                          • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                            This post did not contain any content.
                            P This user is from outside of this forum
                            P This user is from outside of this forum
                            pearofjudes@lemmy.ml
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #86

                            Steam is my favourite multi-billion dollar monopoly 😌

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            11
                            • R reference4054@lemmy.zip

                              Yeah, I can’t imagine why people aren’t flocking to the Epic Store. Must be Valves fault.

                              I Cast FistI This user is from outside of this forum
                              I Cast FistI This user is from outside of this forum
                              I Cast Fist
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #87

                              Don’t forget all the “web3” games on EGS that are the future, too!

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              6
                              • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                And people wonder why Epic games has the smallest market share of all the game stores

                                ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU This user is from outside of this forum
                                ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU This user is from outside of this forum
                                ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #88

                                Take the free stuff, give them nothing.

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                6
                                • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                                  This post did not contain any content.
                                  B This user is from outside of this forum
                                  B This user is from outside of this forum
                                  badbytes@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #89

                                  Epic fail

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  2
                                  • F freddieslantern@leminal.space

                                    Entirely off topic: you can block dataharvesting to the epic store from your hosts file.

                                    ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU This user is from outside of this forum
                                    ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU This user is from outside of this forum
                                    ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #90

                                    block dataharvesting to the epic store from your hosts file.

                                    Is this what you’re talking about?

                                    F 1 Reply Last reply
                                    2
                                    • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                                      This post did not contain any content.
                                      H This user is from outside of this forum
                                      H This user is from outside of this forum
                                      hadriscus@jlai.lu
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #91

                                      yea that’s just playing on semantics. Of course machine learning will keep assisting many different workflows, thank you Tim.
                                      Go ahead with your ML-assisted procedural animations, your ML-enhanced denoising, your ML-powered stochastic mesh pruning.

                                      What people don’t want is generated visuals/music that try and pass off as art. I’d love to summon debility to explain that the ruling class doesn’t get it, but they do -it’s a convenient way for them to save on human labor that is also… just too tempting to use for replacing art as well.

                                      T 1 2 Replies Last reply
                                      31
                                      • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                                        This post did not contain any content.
                                        J This user is from outside of this forum
                                        J This user is from outside of this forum
                                        jhex@lemmy.world
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #92

                                        Sweeney is not very smart, is he?

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        9
                                        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
                                          This post did not contain any content.
                                          S This user is from outside of this forum
                                          S This user is from outside of this forum
                                          sabinstargem@lemmy.today
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #93

                                          I like AI, and see no issue with disclosing how it is applied. People who are pro-AI would like to further hone their craft, by understanding what workflows and issues are involved. Anti-AI folk can simply avoid what they dislike. Either way, it is win-win.

                                          S 1 Reply Last reply
                                          6

                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          Powered by NodeBB Contributors
                                          • First post
                                            Last post